Lehman: Business from the County Attorney.

White: Items 4A and 4B are actually are related and I’ll talk to them both at the same time. 4A is report and discussion to evaluate and lease or purchase of 821 South Clinton Street. I realize the folks who are in the room won’t be able to see this, but if I move it back there the Board won’t see it.

Jordahl: I’ll be Vanna White.

Thompson: Yes, we will.

Lehman: There you go.

Thompson: Very good.

White: 821 South Clinton. This green mark is the Admin Building. 821 South Clinton is right here, diagonally across the street. It’s a building that most recently was an Auto Parts Store. The context within which I bring you this report and discussion is that the Space Needs Committee has recommended to you, probably as long ago as a year, a year and a half. We’ve had discussions both with the committee and among the Board about the desirability of planning for County campuses. One of the potential campus locations has been the area around the Admin. Building. I should interject this as these are very long range considerations. One of the things that the Board and the Space Needs Committee asked me to begin to do, probably about a year ago, was to let owners of property know, in the vicinity, that we might have a long term interest in acquiring property as it became available. That’s what brings us to the discussion of 821 South Clinton, which is now vacant and being offered for lease. Once I realized it was vacant and for lease, at about the same time, the realtor with whom the property is placed for lease and I found each other. He was inquiring about the County’s potential interest and I was inquiring about the potential availability, not just for lease, but for sale, on the theory that it’s close enough to the Administration Building that we need to explore it since it’s available. The importance of availability is, if we’re going to try to build a campus, we’re best off if we look at acquiring land when it’s going to be at it’s highest level of availability for the lowest price. Any time a property near us gets purchased or rehabilitated or remodeled, or the sort of arrangement that took place with the DeliMart, which I don’t criticize at all. It was a complete refurbishing of that property. But, if that occurred for property that the County would someday have an interest in that obviously elevates the price considerably. Makes it a much harder decision to try to displace somebody. So, I feel very strongly, and at least so far the Space Needs Committee has agreed that when we find a property available in an area that would ultimately have the potential to be part of our long range space needs campus, we ought to act on it promptly. So, the question that I am trying to bring to you is, should we take a serious look at either leasing or purchasing 821 South Clinton right now, and my recommendation to you is the answer to that is yes. I’ll come back to some reasons for that in a minute. The specific steps that we should take if we are interested in doing that would be to ask Neumann Monson to physically evaluate the building, give us a report on its condition, whether it’s susceptible to being remodeled or rehabilitated, what kind of costs would be involved in doing that. Obviously, for them to do that fully and successfully, they’ll need some guidance from us as to what uses would be made of it and I’ll come back to that, also. White: The second step that we would need to take if we were going to move forward trying to explore this property would be to have it appraised. So that if we wanted to enter into discussions with the owners about purchasing it, we have a price based on a professional evaluation. Time is always of the essence when you get properties that are on the market like this. There’s absolutely nothing to say that tomorrow, even fueled by the public discussion that we’re now having, somebody won’t show and say, well that building the County was talking about last night would be perfect for me and (inaudible) the realtor or the owner with a proposal for a lease that would then make it again more difficult for us. We had actually, within the Space Needs Committee we had talked about the potential of a County campus. We have talked more frequently about the block that is directly north of us across Benton Street. The block surrounded by Benton, Dubuque, Lafayette and Clinton. We had certainly some discussions about some day if City carton ever made a decision to relocate we’d want to let them know that we had some interest. We’ve had very serious discussions with the Iowa National Guard about the availability of the armory. We’ve (inaudible) to them we’re interested in acquiring, they’ve made it clear they’re interested in moving. The time frame for that still is 5 to 8 to 10 years. There are a lot of things that would need to fall into place. We’ve had some discussion about property east of the Admin. building bordered by Ralston Creek. We had some discussion about part of this block where 821 is located, primarily east of the railroad tracks. In furtherance of the notion of a County campus, I’ve attempted to maintain contact with the National Guard. We’re not making much headway there for a variety of reasons. Probably about a month ago I sent letters to the owners of property in the block right north of us, whose property fronts on Benton Street, simply saying we’ve had discussion about a County campus, the County has space needs, we might be interested in discussing acquisition of your property, do you have any interest. Trying to get some sense of whether they have any interest. At this point, I’ve not initiated contact with anybody else in that block. In addition to the letter to the 2 owners of property that front on Benton Street, I’ve had one phone conversation with each owner, just elaborating a little bit on, I wanted to make sure they knew we were going to be talking tonight so that they didn’t read tomorrow’s paper and get surprised. They’ve both said well I’m not anxious to sell, at least at this time, but thanks for letting us know and we’ll keep in touch. Pretty much where I’ve left it with the 2 of them.

Feick: What’s that 821 right now?

White: It’s a vacant building.

Feick: East or west side?

Jordahl: Used to be a Bigby Auto Parts.

Feick: West side of Clinton?

Jordahl: West side of…

White: Yes. In the northwest corner of Clinton and Benton. The land parcel there is 12,500 square feet, approximately, and the building is approximately 6,200 square feet. It seems to me, this is very superficial, obviously, it doesn’t have any professional analysis from an architect or a mechanical engineer and not from an appraiser, but options for that site for the County would seem to me to include clearing the building and having the bare land available either for parking or a separate building project. Another option would be a short term remodeling or rehabilitation project potentially to accommodate Physical Plant to try to free up some space in this building. Potentially to accommodate SEATS, which has a sort of short term space need problem because their building’s going to get demolished by the City. Certainly the potential for storage, which forever is a County need that we struggle to identify. Long term it could serve as the source of a multi-story office building. If it were to serve that function it would certainly need to be accompanied by parking beyond the land that’s there, but all of those options would appear to me to be consistent with the discussion we’ve had about trying to create a County campus near the Administrative Building, which may be a 10, 15, or 20 year project. But again, the importance of having that as a goal is that when the property’s available it’s by far the best time to try to acquire it and now would be a time to try to acquire this parcel if we want to begin to act on the long term notion of a County campus here. One of the things that I left out about overall space needs that I’m going to inject, and this may come as a little bit of a surprise to the City, actually Jonathan has raised this several times. Even if, ultimately, we were able to acquire the armory, it’s not impossible that somebody might say we’ll take a look at seeing if we can improve the traffic flow around this block, which is obviously this one way, (inaudible) circle, and a concept would be, if between us and Iowa City, someday City Carton relocated and someday the armory relocated, it would not be unrealistic to try to create a 4 lane better connection between Benton and Kirkwood. That’s, I’m not a traffic engineer either. I’m doing a lot of hypothesizing about things that I have very little expertise in. But one of the other advantages of acquiring property is there’s very little long term risk. If you’re ultimate building, a campus plan here, went in the direction of the armory or east or north, and this parcel wasn’t necessary, real estate is always going to able to be remarketed. But if we’re committed to a campus concept around the Admin. building, my recommendation is we out to take a very serious look at this property right now.

Thompson: What would be the next step?

White: I think the next steps would be for us to ask Neumann Monson to give us an analysis of the condition of this building. How good is it, how bad is it, what kind of investment would be required to turn it into Physical Plant space or SEATS space or storage space. I think we’d have to give them a little more guidance than I’ve certainly go tonight. But the Space Needs Committee could do that in fairly short order. I think it has a meeting coming up in about 2 weeks. But the other one is to have an appraisal done so that we could, if our interest is purchase… We could approach the owner and say we’ve hired and paid for a qualified professional appraisal, this is what the appraiser tells us the value of the property is and we’re prepared to buy from you at that appraised price.

Feick: Is there any plan, Pat, for SEATS to go in with the Transportation Center that’s going to be built or not?

White: Well, there’s lots of discussion about long terms SEATS location and there is yet another committee that has recently formed to try to discuss the long term SEATS, Physical Plant needs.

Jordahl: OK.

White: Another question, why don’t I just be quiet and let you react. That’s what I should do.

Lehman: Questions for Pat, anything you’d like to bring up, being on the Space Committee.

Thompson: Well, it is something that we’ve discussed, and I think it wouldn’t be a large investment to go ahead with an appraisal and having Dwight look at it. Do we need to put that on the agenda for next week to vote on? Can we just advise you to do that?

White: I don’t think you do. You had, a year, year and a half ago, albeit relatively informally, authorized me to watch and communicate with the owners of the property. I certainly didn’t want to take either of those steps without discussing it with you, but if you’re comfortable with my just going ahead I think I’ve got the authority to do that. We’d spend some money, not a lot.

Jordahl: I think we should go ahead and do the appraisal because I don’t think it’s a lot of money in the larger scheme of things, and it is, you know, if you look at that map, or photograph or whatever you’ve got there, barring RT’s, that’s about the closest building to us. Distance is actually fairly comparable to that to the Armory, from the corner of our building to the corner to theirs. So I mean it’s close. But your idea about the streets, if we don’t get street flow changed somehow then it’s awful hard to get over there. It’s kind of a tough intersection.

White: Well, even if the street alignment wasn’t changing, it certainly makes some intersection improvements if pedestrian traffic was a concern here. It would make it more amenable to pedestrians in a variety of ways.

Thompson: So does everyone agree that Pat should go ahead and look into it more? Charlie?

Duffy: What’s that?

Thompson: Do you agree that Pat should go ahead and look into it more?

Duffy: I would say that I’d be more for that than that mall we’re looking at.

Jordahl: Cheaper too.

Duffy: Well, that’s a good building. As far as I’m concerned, it’s new. It’s not that old.

Jordahl: This one over here you mean?

Duffy: No, right where we’re sitting.

Jordahl: Yes, this is a new building.

Duffy: So, you know if this, around close here, that might be the solution.

Lehman: I’d be in favor of moving on things. If we did use it for short term remodeling for something, but it could be very valuable parking space in the scheme of things too.

Jordahl: We park over there once in a while anyway now, if RT’s lets us.

Lehman: If things fall in place, I’d hate to think we missed one piece of the puzzle because we drug our feet.

White: Thanks for your time.

Lehman: Any other reports or inquiries?

White: I should give you just a very brief report. You’ve seen some news stories about the Wellmark Blue Cross Blue Shield settlement. Those news stories are accurate. I’d sent you some information copies over the last couple of weeks of correspondence to me from lawyers. It’ll be a while before we show up with formal documents, but we were part of that litigation. The settlement does include us. We will be receiving a significant dollar payment from Wellmark Blue Cross Blue Shield. It’ll be more than $200,000 and less than 500, which is as specific as I’d like to get for tonight. As soon as I have a more specific number, we’ll need to come to your agenda to talk about that and then obviously you’ll need to make some judgements about how to recycle that money back into your budget.

Jordahl: Maybe you just suggested one.

Lehman: Good news.

White: Yes, it was good news. Carol deserves, the people who did the heavy lifting, there was not a whole lot of heavy lifting here, but Carol and Diane Kastor and Polly Gibson, who’s our legal assistant, were the ones who organized the paper and got the materials that needed to be submitted to the Mount Pleasant and Minneapolis law firms who were handling the case through an arrangement with ISAAC.

Lehman: We’ll congratulate Carol when she wakes up. OK, move onto business from the Board of Supervisors. A discussion action needed to display additional updated maps in the Board room.

Jordahl: Yes, that’s my idea. I’ve been displaying this one over here. I wouldn’t go so far as to call this updated, but we’ve been talking a lot about the North Corridor over the years, not that I’ve been here all that long, but this map at least is a map that shows. The yellow there is the RS rezoning around the Iowa River and the Reservoir, and the pinkish stuff up there is A2, that the resort zoning, which is kind of like RS except that you can have businesses on it and stuff. So that shows you, but also the 1960 rezoning in encompasses the area south of Iowa City as well, and that A2 stuff that we ran into down there at Zahner’s addition, you see where the pink is south of town. I would just like to suggest that until we get a better map for GIS, that we could put this one in here instead of having to prop it on the chair because Sally’s not always going to be gone. This map here is kind of dated. We could get a newer one that showed us what our roads are like so I wouldn’t have to unfold my map every time I wanted to see is that a seal coat road or is that black top or whatever, if we could have an updated County road map, because we just had a new one made. It’s really pretty, and we could get a big one to put here. Carol’s got a nice laminated one on her door.

Peters: You can’t have mine.

Jordahl: We’ve got a trails map. The trials plan we adopted here a few months ago, I’d like to have that up somewhere so we could refer to that and maybe get our most recent ABT map, there are a lot of things we could put up. I’m just throwing out a few ideas and maybe other folks have other ideas of what ought to be up here. Maybe we should have pictures or something, I don’t know. Put the web site address in great, big, black letters across the top of the room. Let’s redecorate a little.

Lehman: I think it’s a good idea. We refer to a lot of things in our verbal approach sometimes, we don’t have the visual aids sometimes. If we had some maps around it would make it a lot clearer for all of us, plus the public. Andy’s nodding yes, and he could zero in the camera on those.

Andy Small: We could have (inaudible), on the all that had multiple maps.

Jordahl: I’ve though about that, yes.

Small: Whatever map you need.

Jordahl: Flip them. A paper GIS.

Feick: I want to attempt to make a real positive, modern technology suggestion here. This is the year 2000, and since we all agree that Al Gore created the internet, right, why not just while you’re doing these maps, make them computer generated through either a projection system, and when you kids are discussing, you don’t mind if I call you kids, do you?

Jordahl: With a couple of years.

Feick: As young as you are. When you’re making discussion, the young lady over here, she’s got the computer system and she could just re-project the map that you need on the screen, the camera can view it and everybody knows what they’re talking about. Wouldn’t that be wonderful?

Jordahl: We’re in agreement with you to the tune of, what is it, $165,000.

Feick: I don’t believe it will cost that much.

Jordahl: It will cost more than that.

Lehman: We’re going to do other things with it.

Feick: Yes, I think you could do a real splendid job for probably 20, 25,000. A real splendid job.

Lehman: Well, we want to be able to notify people on the Fringe Area Agreement.

Jordahl: We’re going to make it work, not just look like a map. It’s going to do all kinds of things. We’re going to jump through hoops.

Feick: I understand this.

Thompson: Could we get on with our agenda?

Lehman: Let’s move on to, were you pretty well done there?

Jordahl: Whatever I was talking about. I think Jerry’s not off point here. We have a computer projector, and we have some software working, and we’ve got project pilots going and we’ve got it in the budget. I mean, we’re going to have that.

Feick: You could even put this on your County Web page so that the public could go into these maps and understand what was going on.

Jordahl: We’re going to do that too.

Feick: Democracy in action.

Jordahl: In the budget.

Lehman: OK, minutes received. Hawkeye Area Community Action Program Board of Directors for December 2, 1999. Those will be circulating if you haven’t seen them already. Johnson County Board of Social Welfare Collector Board for February 14, 2000. We have reports and inquiries, if anybody can remember what they were doing in the past week, let alone this morning.

Jordahl: Watch your day here.

Lehman: Charlie, would you like to?

Duffy: Well I’ve got some but I think I’ll only give one. I watched our Emergency Management Teams fire trucks work in Newport, north of where we live a couple of miles. There was a tremendous fire burning. It burned off 250 acres. I can’t see how they saved that house. I went around the back way, but I didn’t get in their way and our Deputy Sheriff was there and a team of Emergency Management, there were fire trucks from all over this County, and out of county, and they saved at least one farm house, but it ended up burning black machine sheds, out buildings, things like that. I said this before, but we don’t have to take a back seat to any county in Iowa, or maybe any place else, they were just tremendous. No sooner than they got that under control then there was one out west of town, and Oxford Fire Department was one and they really went by the farm fast and the other ones, they probably left a couple there but they went and ganged up on that one. Then there was one at North Liberty, and there was one someplace south and east of here, so I would say some of them are caused by people who are trying to burn something so just don’t do it. It’s very dangerous to the firemen and the rest of the personnel (inaudible).

Lehman: Thank you. Carol?

Thompson: Well, I took a page out of Charlie’s and attended the Roadside Vegetation Management Committee this week. It was a good group of volunteers and the Secondary Roads staff, and they’re working on a policy for how to manage the roadsides. It was a very lively discussion and I look forward to seeing a finished product pretty soon here.

Lehman: Anything else?

Thompson: That’s all.

Lehman: Thank you. Jonathan?

Jordahl: Well, I didn’t go to the evening meeting on Monday, but I’ve been managing to have meetings every other day of the week. We had a small wastewater group studying what to do with older subdivisions and we had a very interesting survey come back from the folks in River Heights, you know they get shows there. We’ve really got some pretty good data in the files on where things are at, how old septic systems are, what updates have been done and stuff. I will circulate some materials that were handed out there so you can have a look at them. Then, of course, I’ll let you detail the Board-wide activities of planning here at MH/DD and so forth. But that’s all I’ll report on now. It’s 11:30 at night.

Lehman: I’ll keep it pretty short too. We had a couple of public hearings for the Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities for draft policy, and we’ll be working on that and trying to fine tune that. That is due to the State by April first, so we’ve got a lot of work to do on that. I also want to echo the Emergency Management. Had a fire on a farm that my brother lives on, started from a passing railroad train. My sister-in-law said there were 12 fire fighting vehicles and an ambulance there. it came across the corn field and kept it away from a large amount of hay in the building, so I thank them for their efforts there. I guess we’re down to inquiries and reports from the public.

Duffy: I want to make one statement first. I think that Mike did a good job acting as Chair for the Board of Supervisors. We’ve had some long meetings and controversial meetings and I think he did a good job.

Lehman: You might want to look at your watch and re-appraise that.

White: On the subject of fires, you Secondary Roads Department was out last night helping with, some of their equipment operators and some other equipment.

Lehman: Also a reminder that some of the roads, or the majority of the seal coat roads have been embargoed so we want people to be aware of that and don’t get themselves in trouble. There is a large fine for being on embargoed roads without permits.

Feick: I have a couple items that I haven’t talked about earlier this evening. One is very brief, just an observation in the community, the other one is a long standing problem that some of your people know about, I think, not only directly by me, but otherwise, and I think some of you must know about it not from me. The observation is a matter of safety in the community. The other day, in fact I believe it was Monday, I was on a Coralville bus west of the Old Capital, at the intersection of Highway 6, headed west it would go up the hill west, this is 2, 2:30 in the afternoon. The traffic was so clogged on that street. An ambulance came from the south, could not get through the traffic, had to jump the median, and go up the wrong side of the road to get to Veteran’s Hospital. I mean it was panic time I think for anyone sitting in that bus could see, you know you’re up high enough in the bus you can kind of see what’s going on. I was going to make a suggestion. I think you could get a lot federal funding and state funding on this. The City, as we all have observed in recent weeks, is in this big argument on the First Avenue extension. They have a massive problem on moving traffic from the Northeast quadrant. I don’t believe it’s in the interest of any community to use an interstate system, Interstate 80, for local traffic. I don’t mean by that that the public in the local community shouldn’t use the interstate system. But on the other hand, I think common sense would observe, that whenever you massively increase statistically going on an interstate and off an interstate, you’re going to also massively increase the potential statistics for accidents. You know, it might be one of you someday, or wife or friend or relative. So I suggested, you know I’m not the architect, I just kind of, you know, observe the community from now and then. Once in a while I have a bad idea and very seldom do I have a good idea. But I presented to City Council the other night, how about taking where the cement curve is east of the Veteran’s Hospital, now if you go west of there you’ve got a big hill off of Wolfe above the railroad track, but east of where the cement curve is, and somehow connect that curve, straighten it out or whatever, go up across the river… Now this would be a major, major project, across the river and connect it with Park Road, making Park Road Highway 6. Then take Highway 6 east and connect it into Highway One and you can drain coming down that whole Northeast quadrant, you can drain down southwest, and most of these people, and I don’t mean this as an insult to the downtown business people of Iowa City, but most of these people want to go to the Coral Ridge Mall anyway. Whether they want to face that reality or not. Probably thinking 30, 40 years down in the future if we can think that far and we should be able to. f there ever is a major highway system through the town, Highway 6 from that cement curve west will be probably the major artery to feed to the Coral Ridge Mall. Because we can’t envision that from today, we got to plan that it’s going to grow in the Northwest quadrant massively, and I think we can all agree on that. Just imagine what’s going to happen when the new Wal-Mart complex opens up. Well, as they say, Hy-Vee will get a lesson learned. Nothing more on that. The other item. So I think you should look at that for the future because you’ve got a massive bottle neck clear from, I observe a lot, clear down from the water plant, on Highway 6, clear west of the China Garden, you’ve got a massive bottle neck, several times a day. It’s a danger to the public. 

The other item. Some of you are aware and some of the public is aware of my consistent presentation to you of the Senior Citizen Center activities and their tax fraud. Their tax fraud includes an entity that is there, Elderly Services Agency of Johnson County, Inc. It is not a governmental agency, even though it sounds like it is. Check at the Secretary of State’s Office, it’s an Iowa Corporation. They are the contractor, in fact they actually are the subcontracting agency by law, for Iowa Department of Elder Affairs, subentity, Heritage Agency on Aging out of Cedar Rapids. They have paid no taxes on the worker’s pay since 1980 since they began. All during that time, they get an appropriations every year. It works this way. I’ll give a very brief history. Very brief because it’s late at night, but the public can understand this too and I think they can understand the impact better. Federal Congress 1965 passes the Older Americans Act. $100,000 comes down from the federal government to the Iowa Treasury. It has to go the Treasury because under Iowa Law, you have to have an appropriations bill to kick it back out again. It’s kicked out through the Health Department after it comes through at appropriations. But it’s kicked out through an appropriations bill, what then was called Iowa Commission on the Aging, so we got 20 years, from 65 to 85 it’s called Iowa Commission on the Aging. 1985 we have a name change only to Iowa Department of Elder Affairs, the today existing entity. They have 13 area agencies on aging, divided up geographically, somewhat like the concept of the community colleges, and they get this budget. In fact the legislature every year, you can look in the general session laws I’ll give you one site, the language is consistent every year, every year they’ve committed tax fraud. I’ll give you one site, the general session laws for 1997, the 77th general assembly, volume one, section 5, chapter 203, pages 616 to 628, and I want to read you one sentence. This is under protective services, quote, and I’m going to define who this is under the law to identify who this name is, the subcontract, that’s Heritage Agency out of Cedar Rapids, shall require that each homecare aid subcontracting agency, the homecare aid subcontracting agency is Elderly Services Agency of Johnson County, Inc. Shall pay, shall is mandatory in law, never discretionary under the case law, whereby may is not necessarily discretionary under the case law, so it’s mandatory, shall pay the employee contribution of Social Security. Did you hear that? They shall pay the employee contribution to Social Security? What happened here was the State Legislature, under federal constitutional rights, state’s right, made the law more restrictive and required that these entities even pay the employees share of the Social Security. Now, to briefly explain that, you go get a job you’re paid $1,000 a week, a certain percent is taken out of social security of your check that’s taken out of your gross, the employer has to match it. In this case the Legislature said, we’re going to be even more restrictive than the federal statute on the Social Security Administration laws you’re going to pay all these taxes. Perfectly legal, never been challenged. They’ve lied since 1993 on this, since my first complaint. In fact, I’m going to make it a little stronger than that, what they really have done, is conspire to cover up their own tax fraud. In the 1998 Fiscal Year Annual Report for Iowa Department of Elder Affairs, in the Heritage Agency, there were 23,103 clock hours of these services done. Clock hour is 60 minutes. Well let’s say it was $6 an hour, they owe taxes just on that one year, just that one area agency, on $150 some thousand dollars worth of wages. They haven’t paid a cent. Now I’m going to finish the sentence that the Legislature mandated. This is their appropriations bill mandate, in other words if they spend this money they’ve got to do it this way, and provide worker’s compensation coverage. In Iowa law, if you have an employee, even one, you have to get either a private, and this might be news to some of the businesses in town, and in the County that are illegal and many of them are. If you have even on employee you have to go either to a private vendor to get worker’s compensation coverage, or you can buy it through the state. But you have to have it. The mandate says that they shall provide worker’s compensation coverage. They’ve never done this. For person providing direct homecare aid services and, now we’re going to get even more restrictive, and meet any other applicable requirements or an employer, employee relationship. What would that include. I understand that some of you are in business, some of you aren’t. It would include things like an INS form. You can’t even put somebody on a time clock unless you’ve got one filled out under federal law. The Social Security reporting, and collecting money and sending it in timely. The W2, the W4 forms. The federal unemployment if you reach certain levels of employment. The state unemployment, the state income tax, and now, in the last few years, there’s even a state requirement for an INS, what’s basically the citizenship declaration, and a W2 and 4 form reporting. They have consistently violated this. I guess they think they’re above and beyond the revenue laws. Now my question in summary here is this, you go to the appropriations bills, excuse me, you go to the general session laws, you look in the index, and you look under the key words of Iowa Department of Elder Affairs, and look under appropriations, and you’ll find this bill in either volume one, volume 2 each year. Sometimes it changes, volume one or volume 2. You can track it clear from 1980 on this Elderly Services Agency of Johnson County, Inc. Get the fiscal year annual reports from the state library. You can get them through interlibrary loan. It’ll track all the numbers. The County Auditor, Tom Slockett over here, has the numbers on the subsidized portion, and, you know, I guess my question here, you say well, you’re not the revenue department, well, I’m just exposing their fraud again. But the real reason is this, I think it’s not only wrong for you people to keep funding an illegal entity, but it’s also illegal. Because when you keep funding them, and you do, you actually walk in the same direction of their conspiracy to cover up and continue to commit their tax fraud. Because you’re financing it. I understand the other comment from the other side of the fence, I hope I can see it both ways is, well, but we can’t beat up on the elderly. Hey, the elderly was told by the Social Security Administration to pay their share of the taxes on this and they haven’t coughed up one cent and in addition, under the federal law and the state law on this, and you’re well aware of this, you have a contract with these people every year, and pass their budget through the JCCOG system and the Board of Supervisors system. You also have a massive problem here, and I’m going to blow the whistle on the old people in the County, they deserve it. You know, if you’re a tax cheat and a cheat, you ought to be exposed. When I worked for these people in 1993, I went to homes that had Mercedes and Cadillacs in the driveway and they were on subsidy. Now how in the hell could they qualify for subsidy? Here’s how. Although the requirement was that you were supposed to declare your monthly income and your financial resources, a 2 tier reporting system, in other words, let’s say you get a social security check, and you got income on property and stocks and bonds and interest on savings, you’re supposed to declare all of this. They didn’t. There was no reporting requirement. Gary Smith down there, the (inaudible) service coordinator, he lets them all commit fraud. You don’t have to make an application, you can just go suck off the system. It’s kind of like Karen Kubby’s socialist communist, rip off the tax payers town.

Lehman: We’re about ready to run out of tape here.

Feick: So I want you to make a decision someday and get back to me as to when you’re going to bring this thing to a halt by telling them this. You either pay these back taxes and pay the taxes in the future, or you’re getting no funding and it’s going to start now. I think if you don’t do that, then I think it can be stated that you’re walking in the same direction that they are because you’re financing it, the fraud.

Lehman: I think we all, it’s all the information that you sent around, we appreciate it.

Feick: You have the right under your contract with them to examine their records. I think it’s time to do that. I can’t even, even thought the labor law allows me to see my records, even thought their contract with you, under the public records law, allows me to see all f their records, they will show me nothing. No one has that authority. No one. Or should have. Enough said?

Lehman: Yes.

Feick: Will you get back to me?

Lehman: Our attention span’s kind of waning here.

Feick: Will you get back with me? Or are you going to walk in the same direction of their fraud? So I suggest that you shut off all funding to Elderly Services, all funding to the Senior Citizen’s Center, and if you have any ideas to fund their skywalk program, tell them no on all 3 until they pay these back taxes. that’s fair. It’s honest.

Lehman: OK. Thank you. Appreciate it. Anything else? Run out of tape. We adjourn.

Adjourned at 11:48 p.m.

Attest: Tom Slockett, Auditor

By Casie Parkins, Recording Secretary