Reconvened at 10:21 a.m. with Jordahl returning at 10:25 a.m.

Bolkcom: We're back down to item number 6. Business from Tom Muller regarding relocation of the Senior Center. Morning Tom.

Tom Muller: I'm fantastic.

Bolkcom: Very good.

Muller: I got my morning exercise and I feel great.

Duffy: Really?

Muller: I'm the author of a letter to the Iowa City City Council and which did a copy come to you folks.

Stutsman: Uh-huh.

Muller: The essence of the letter was to ask the City Council to arrange a dialogue on the question of moving the Senior Center programs to the building that previously housed Randall's grocery at Sycamore Mall. This move would be a more user friendly location that would solve several ongoing problems as follows; parking, parking, parking, accessibility because it's all on one level. There are no stairs in that building. Space, it would go from approximately 24,000 square feet to 27,000 or what ever you wanted to add on at ground level because there is space around this building. And the interior design of this building could be to fit the programs instead of fitting the programs to the building that it has existed. I believe this building out there is a clear span building so that you could have any kind of arrangements that you wish. It seems to me that this move would be more user friendly which would certainly, or could and I believe would increase participation. That's something that everybody is interested in is making it easier for people. The move would also allow for additional programs with the closer relation with possibly Kirkwood College. You could have an outside dining area there for people if you wanted to. They could go out in the summertime and be on picnic benches. There are just all kinds of different things that could come up because the building doesn't dictate how it's to be used. And of course as I suggested to the City Council that current old post office building would be an excellent place to house some of their administration offices or the council chambers or whatever because they have some pressures down there at the civic center that they're concerned about. Now so you know I know a little bit about this. I did spend 3 years as a member of the Senior Center Commission, one year as chair. So I have some frame of reference here. Of course any time you put a proposal like this on the table why your going to have a lot of differences. That's why I sue the word dialogue. This would give everybody a chance to discuss it. All of the elements involved. Certainly the City Council, the Supervisors, and the people that use the structure. So anyway I close here by saying in my experience with it I sometimes felt that the Senior Center was about a building instead of the people and the programs that occupy that space. The only reason that I know of that that building houses the Senior Center programs was because it was available at the time. Had it not been available it would be someplace else. So I'm just saying lets have a talk about this. And by the way I don't own the building. I have no interest. I don't know who owns it. So I'm just saying I would go out to the Sycamore Mall and walk in some inclement weather and I'd come out of there and I'd look over at that building and I'd see all of those parking places and the size and I'd say why do we fight this battle all of the time. I know there's some problems specifically with the food program there. I mean there's always been kind of a tug of war with who is going to occupy this space and I think this could go a long way towards just resolving that issue. But I'll go back to parking, parking parking and accessibility. So that's why I'm here and I could be home working on some projects but I just thought I like the idea and I feel like tit's important to express it in front of one of the groups that has responsibility in the area.

Bolkcom: Questions from the Board.

Lacina: So we don't know if the site is available yet though other than the fact that's its (inaudible).

Muller: Well it's been empty for about 3 or 4 years or something. I assume it's available. But no I don't, I do not want to take it on myself too, I'm just simply throwing out the idea and I would be more than happy to do legwork if something said lets talk about review this situation more.

Lacina: Does council have it on for an agenda item for discussion.

Muller: I went to them last week and discussed this letter and I haven't gone back to them to see where they are on it. I talked to some members individually and they were very positive about the idea.

Stutsman: I serve on the County Space Needs Committee and we looked at that space for relocation of DHS. It was very difficult to track down the people that were involved in that building. Our feelings is that they weren't very interested in talking about future plans for that building. But that's not to say that it isn't a possibility. We decided it wouldn't work for our needs. It's a building that needs a lot of work inside and things but I think it's an intriguing thought and we should continue to talk about it and think about it.

Lacina: When we were at a public meeting the other day and the president of Kirkwood made the announcement, no we did not buy the Randall's building. He said all of these rumors we bought Sycamore Mall, we bought this. We haven't. We're still across the street.

Stutsman: It might have to be a lease arrangement. We just got the feeling they weren't interested in selling the property. But maybe the right person that came along.

Muller: Sure. Well I mean it all has to be put on the table and kicked around.

Stutsman: You have to start somewhere.

Muller: Right. Exactly. That's my position is hey lets take this and do something with it. I'm not going to go home and cry if somebody says hey we've looked at this and we don't think it's the thing to do. Fine. We're not on a crusade. But I just having been involved with the center and knowing the problems I said well why do we have those steps there you know. I mean come on. Lets get real about this. Lets look at the people that we're trying to serve because that's the key to it all. Who do we want to serve and what are their problems and how can we design a program for them. I still say that the City could use that building. We could use it for an art center. We could use it for administrative offices. There's a zillion ways it that it could be put to use. A beautiful building, I don't think it's a very good senior center myself. Beautiful building. I love it. In fact I ran the Seifert's Store in there for 6 months once because we remodeled downtown and we had to move out. I said well where are we going to go. It was the only building available and we moved down there and ran our store. So I'm familiar with it from a couple of angles. Would you please talk about it and give it some thought. That's all I'm asking.

Bolkcom: Thank you Tom.

Lacina: I do have a neighbor that goes in for the friendship, over noon will go out and talk to a lot of her friends in that in there. To drive from the rural area in one of the problems that she has is parking. If she doesn't get in there early you just can't find a place to locate. She's not in there really for the meal but it's just to talk to people that she knew in that area.

Muller: Right, socialize.

Lacina: It keeps her mind sharp.

Muller: There could be space added if you wanted to put the ADP program out there too next to it. I was involved in a serious debate about that.

Lacina: Well and the idea of walking at the Sycamore Mall. I could see a wellness thing and a lot of things coming out of that. And Kirkwood. It's an interesting idea.

Bolkcom: Thank you. Thanks for coming in we appreciate it.

Duffy: Have a good one Tom.

Muller: I always do.

Stutsman: That's great.

Bolkcom: All right we're back to item 7 Business from Board of Supervisors discussion regarding the rabies prevention program for Johnson County. Kot Flora is here from the Department of Health and Captain Major Lewis from the Sheriff's Department is here as well, excuse me. Good morning. We have a handout in our packet about this, this morning.

Public Health Disease Prevention Manager Kot Flora: We thought that we should bring the issue of the Rabies Prevention Program to your attention, some of the challenges that we have and I'm not talking about animal control. I'm talking about the situation where an animal in the county bites or attacks someone. Then that incident has to be reported through the Public Health mechanism. We are, the Board of Health, is legally responsible to see that incident through and make sure that rabies is not transmitted to the human. So under that Program we've always, we've worked with the Sheriff's Department very closely to get confinement agreements signed when the bites particularly have happened during the evening hours and weekends. That's been wonderful. But we have a real problem when it comes to housing the animals if they have to be confined at a veterinarian's office or... Other than residential confinement; there are certain circumstances where that has to happen, or if the animal has to euthanized. Then we have issues related to, who do we send out to do these things, the Sheriff's Department does not transport animals in their vehicles. Is that correct?

Sheriff's Department Captain Duane Lewis: That's right.

Flora: The Health Department does not do that either and so the scenario becomes that a resident in rural Johnson County calls and says this dog or skunk is running around and has bitten someone. Who do we send out to either euthanize or apprehend that animal? Then if it needs to be housed, where do we house it? What we're doing now is housing it at a local veterinarian's office. That vet's office tiring of the responsibility. It's a difficult situation from a couple different standpoints. So what we're looking toward is your willingness to hopefully enter into an agreement with the Iowa City Coralville Animal Shelter to on an as needed basis to conduct the apprehension, the confinement, and if necessary the euthanasia of these animals.

Bolkcom: All right.

Flora: So I don't know if Duane has anything that he wants to add?

Lewis: No I think you covered it really well. We have been making do as best as we could for a long time and it continues to get to be a bigger problem. There's just no one in the County organization at this point that's equipped or trained to handle the transportation and confinement.

Stutsman: We're just talking about the unincorporated areas of the County, we're not talking about Iowa City or North Liberty.

Flora: We're not talking about Coralville or Iowa City. Some of the smaller towns don't really have Animal Control either, so we do go into those areas if we need to.

Stutsman: OK.

Flora: I wanted to mention Elizabeth Miller, who is sitting right there, is a Disease Prevention Specialist with the Health Department and it's her responsibility to follow-up on these animal bites. So she might have some information if you have any questions about specific scenarios. She's just undertaken that responsibility in the last few months, but it's a real tricky thing. I can't send staff people out without training, equipment, vehicles, you know. It's really crazy, I think to ask the rural residents to apprehend an animal that you are going to be observing for rabies. I mean it just doesn't make sense. The Animal Shelter folks have all of the pieces that we need to conduct this Program in a safe and humane manner. Last year, Fiscal Year '98, the Health Department... and we incur the costs of this we're not asking for that consideration, we do incur the cost, we're really asking for a system to be employed to manage this. We spent under $500, fiscal year '98, for confinement and euthanasia at the local vet's office. So it's not a huge amount of money, but it's a potential... It's a public health concern and it's a potential employee, work related issue also.

Stutsman: So it would come out of the Department of Health budget to pay for the Iowa City Coralville Animal Shelter to take care of this. Is that what you're saying?

Flora: Yes.

Stutsman: How much would that be?

Flora: Last year it was $475.

Stutsman: Oh, so you're assuming it would be the same cost for...

Flora: It's hard to assume how many animals are going to be biting, but it's about that every year. It's not a huge amount of money.

Lacina: It might be a little bit higher given the...

Bolkcom: It could be a little bit more.

Lacina: ...fact that right now the vet's going to be able to do the extraction if a sample needs to be taken to the University for the rabies test or I'm assuming they'll have to have a vet come in to the facility to do the sample or whatever they would need to do. There will probably be some additional costs.

Flora: I'm not sure... I think that the Animal Shelter can handle that.

Lewis: But I would expand it past euthanasia because...

Flora: Confinement.

Lewis: ...what we're proposing is the transportation enhancement of these problems on a as needed basis so there will be the additional cost that I don't think that you're willing to accept out of your budget. That would be a new contract with the Animal Shelter.

Flora: It would be a contract with the Animal Shelter if you're willing to enter into it. The number of times that we would need to do this in a year would be a couple.

Lewis: Well I...

Flora: I'm not sure. It's only been in the past years it's only been a couple of times a year where I have to try to figure out what to put together. How to get an animal transported. If it's an unknown animal, oftentimes that animal is already dead; somebody has killed it. Then we... It gets boxed up and we take it to the hygienic lab. The hygienic lab does not charge us for the laboratory analysis of the brain. So that... If it's a live animal, oftentimes people in the rural areas will get a tender trap and trap it and we'll transport that.

Stutsman: This to me makes so much...

Flora: It's a mess.

Stutsman: ...more sense to have somebody that's equipped, that is trained to do this rather than we trying to figure out or staff somebody to do it. I don't know how this fits in with the current Sheriff's contract too, labor contract. If we run into problems.

Lewis: We just haven't done it for several years Sally, because we assume a health risk.

Stutsman: Exactly.

Lewis: Putting an animal in a car that we're going to transport prisoners and deputies and stuff in later on. We're just not equipped to do it and we quit doing that some time ago. With the growth in the County the times that we can actually destroy an animal are pretty limited because of the population. Where we used to destroy an animal an just transport, we can't do that any more. So it's brought it to the front again where I think we need some qualified equipped people to handle some of these calls.

Lacina: The dog in Solon was an example of where we couldn't put it down because of the kids and the stuff around it until finally it got...

Lewis: In our conversations with the Animal Shelter we've kind of... They have come out and helped us unofficially a time or two which puts their people at a liability with no contract. I think that's a valid concern on their part and they've dug us out of a couple bad holes on abuse cases and so forth that we had no way of handling them without asking for their help, and they did it. But they're under no obligation that I'm aware of. The only contract that I know we've got is if a resident in the county transports an animal down there and says it's straying the county, you folks are picking up the cost.

Lacina: The cost.

Lewis: But that's the only agreement that we have with them.

Stutsman: Yes. Do we just need to enter into a contract that takes care of all of this stuff, you know picking up strays and what not?

Bolkcom: I don't know if we want to go there.

Lacina: I don't think you want to... You don't have...

Stutsman: No, no. I...

Bolkcom: Let's walk it one step at a time.

Stutsman: Yes.

Jordahl: But there is...

Lacina: Especially when the students leave town, you're going to have a lot of animals that (inaudible).

Lewis: I would caution about trying to take over complete animal control in the county. That's going to be a big dollar cost item. This is a per case problem type situation.

Stutsman: Right.

Jordahl: We're talking about biting here at this stage and living in a rural area we have rabid animals wander by once in a while. We don't wait for them to bite us. I assume there are going to be other people that observe the erratic behavior of animals and call you. I would assume further that we would want to respond appropriately to a rabid animal whether or not it has bitten someone. So I would suggest that although we ought not to expand into retrieving stray pets, that we ought to expand into doing something with rabid animals whether they've bitten somebody or not.

Bolkcom: So what are you thinking like, we're going to have a surveillance of...

Jordahl: No, people... A skunk in broad daylight walking around drunkenly in your yard, you know is like, maybe there's something wrong.

Lacina: I'm just giving us the briefing that this is appropriate and you want to (inaudible) and in time you're going to come up with a contract, right? For us to take look at, is that the...

Flora: I don't know who is going to come up with the contract. I didn't what was appropriate it seemed like because we were talking about something between the County and the City it was appropriate to bring it to you folks to tell us whether or not you're willing to have that done. Then whoever draws up the contract I would have to ask Pat White or Graham or somebody, who he thinks should be...

Lewis: We may have some kind of agreement from them.

Lacina: We do have a fair amount of money that goes that direction. We can review that and see if we can't build it in. Remember Carol, is it 40,000?

Flora: The other...

Administrative Assistant Carol Peters: I don't remember off hand, but we do... Well it depends on the year too, and also you can't go by the fiscal year amounts because of the timing of their billing sometimes will be doubled up.

Lacina: Oh, OK.

Bolkcom: I think there's support to go ahead and develop an agreement with them for this specific service and you should do whatever you need to do that. If that's a Board of Health agreement or a Supervisors agreement or a 3 way agreement we're game to all...

Flora: We'll ask Pat White.

Bolkcom: That'd be fine.

Flora: I have one more question then which would be, the incorporated areas that... We go into the small towns and do the follow-up when necessary for reported animal bites. We're doing that work in those small towns, we're not doing it in the City of Iowa City, we're not doing it for the City of Coralville. So with this agreement would you want any consideration with these small towns for them to pay some portion of the services rendered or is that something you see as just continue as we have been.

Bolkcom: I think it would be... We'd spend more money trying to collect. If we're talking $500 to $1,000 a year, spending our time trying to collect it... I don't have a problem with the County paying for that.

Duffy: I don't either, but maybe we should ask the City Councils of these small towns.

Lacina: Well to be...

Duffy: Tell them what we're doing.

Lacina: To be consistent, we do have contracts for enhanced law enforcement and just so we keep everything level so that they don't all of the sudden say, no you just provide all the law enforcement too. Maybe we go to them and ask them, if they say absolutely no, we say OK. But if... I think you have the right idea Kot, if we can have some informal agreement with them or a letter of intent that everybody would sign off on, I don't see any harm in doing that.

Stutsman: Maybe we should just monitor it too and see if it becomes a real burden if it's just one or 2 a year then I don't see a problem.

Flora: We investigate approximately 80 animal bites annually in the county.

Lacina: (Inaudible) the negative, but we have to go through the process to make sure (inaudible)

Stutsman: OK.

Flora: But it is a Board of Health mandate to do that.

Bolkcom: Right.

Lacina: OK, but what's your sense. Do you think...

Bolkcom: (Inaudible) the County Health Department that is the...

Flora: We cover the whole county.

Bolkcom: Right.

Lacina: As is the Sheriff, but what's your recommendation to us. Do you think we should talk to them about a contract?

Flora: I don't think it's that much of an issue at this point, but I just wanted you to be aware that we do go in and we take care of those areas as well.

Lacina: OK.

Bolkcom: All right.

Lacina: Then we (inaudible).

Jordahl: Just as the City of Iowa City has an Animal Control Program that's part of what the City is accepting as part of it's responsibility, sort of the realm of law enforcement, to contain activities. It wouldn't be... We asked the communities to chip in on the Housing Needs Assessment for example, I think it would be legitimate for us to ask the communities to chip in something. I mean if we're talking about $1,000 they could chip in something as a token of sort of jurisdictional contribution to this cost. I think that's particularly important if, as I suggested the Program did not wait for someone to be bitten by a rabid animal, but would try to be proactive and actually prevent rabies, as the name implies, by gathering these things up and destroying them or whatever prior to their hurting somebody.

Flora: Part of the prevention is the post-bite implementation of immune globulin and so forth. So there is a Public Health post-exposure intervention that's done that is preventive, but I know what you're saying.

Stutsman: Has this been discussed at the Board of Health? I wonder what their feelings were about...

Flora: It's been discussed in front the... Let's see, I think in front of the Board of Health. We had a small Committee that met maybe in May and one of our Board of Health members, Kelly Donham, was present at that meeting. The distinction was made at that meeting that we're talking really in this context about the Rabies Prevention Program that people did want to talk about animal control.

Stutsman: Uh-huh. I think that's going to come up more and more.

Lewis: I'd caution, as far as getting the small towns involved, they have the same problem that they're struggling with. Our contracts with them is that we will take care of emergency type situation, you know a biting dog or (inaudible), we'll do the best we can with it. We would need this kind of support in order to do that, but we do not handle animal control in these towns. So if there's any...

Bolkcom: I see.

Lewis: ...negotiations there, that's a completely separate issue. They still need to do that themselves, this would only be a follow-up on a bite situation.

Stutsman: Uh-huh. A very specific...

Lewis: Which is very small compared to animal control which is an entirely different end of the subject.

Jordahl: Duane, you do get calls from people about rabid animals, I assume...

Lewis: Uh-huh.

Jordahl: ...that have not yet bitten someone.

Lewis: Uh-huh.

Jordahl: How would you say those numbers stack up against those where they have bitten someone?

Lewis: Most of our calls along those lines are wild animals not necessarily dogs.

Jordahl: Yes.

Lewis: I'd say a good share of the time they're gone before we ever get there.

Jordahl: The animal just wanders off.

Lewis: Yes. It's something acting strange or they want us to check it and we'll go check it and it's already gone back into the woods. Distemper, for one I know on several different things, will make an animal act strange not necessarily be rabies. If we're in a situation where we can destroy it, we will.

Jordahl: Uh-huh.

Lewis: We leave it up to the person to get it tested or not because if it hasn't bitten anyone there's no real requirement for a test. So we just handle those on a case by case basis.

Jordahl: So you just destroy those when you see them?

Lewis: Correct.

Stutsman: So we'll continue with that, it's only if there's been a reported bite that it would be referred to the...

Lewis: Right.

Stutsman: ...Animal Shelter.

Lewis: Or if we need help, if we're in a highly populated area it would be nice to be able to call the Animal Control people that could actually come and confine or capture, or help us transport this dog. It becomes an even bigger problem if he is mean. What are we going to do with him? It's bad enough to transport a good one just because of it messing the car up and then you have to put people in there. But if it's mean, then what do we do? Even if we get our hands on it. So that's why we need some expertise.

Flora: The local vet's office has been working with the Health Department for a number years, it's about had it.

Stutsman: I heard from an employee at that vet's office and she approached me about...

Lewis: They're getting tired of seeing something...

Flora: It's difficult.

Lewis: ...locked in their cage, that they have no idea where it came from or what they are going to do with it.

Bolkcom: This is long overdue.

Stutsman: Yes. I think it's good to...

Duffy: Joe?

Bolkcom: Charlie.

Duffy: Actually to reinforce what Jonathan's been saying, living in the rural area there are animals that might have rabies that haven't bitten anybody. I think the saliva has something to do with that and probably wouldn't even know it. I know of a case with a heifer that this farmer said was acting strange, foaming out of the mouth. So he got her in and the veterinarian came out and first thing he said is we're going to test this animal, this animal has rabies, he'd bet on it. Sure enough it had rabies, so then he had to go through a series of shots and they're terrible shots in your stomach. But sure there's animals running around that probably have rabies and there's more skunks and civet cats. Have you seen them dead on the road, I mean they're all over, and coons.

Flora: And bats are becoming more of a problem.

Stutsman: Oh.

Duffy: We've got one in our church it sits way up on top of it.

Flora: So we will talk to Pat White about contracting (inaudible)

Bolkcom: Very good. The sooner the better.

Flora: OK. Thanks.

Bolkcom: Great. Thank you very much.

Stutsman: Thank you.

Bolkcom: Thanks for your work.

Bolkcom: Item c, discussion appointing Linda Kopping as an ex-officio member of the Johnson County Task Force of the Heritage Area Agency on Aging. Linda has applied to an ex-officio member and I think one of the issues for the Task Force... The Task Force has a number of agency directors serving as ex-officio, it's just a good way to keep communication about some of those issues that the Task Force and the Senior Center deals with. So she's applied so that will be on for Thursday if there's no questions on that.

Bolkcom: Item d, discussion regarding meetings scheduled for the weeks of November 15th and November 22nd. Boy, that seems so far away.

Jordahl: Yes. We're looking ahead here.

Bolkcom: So the 26th is the big day, Thanksgiving. Is the Board...

Stutsman: So we're talking about the week of ISAC too.

Jordahl: Uh-huh.

Stutsman: Iowa State Association of Counties meeting.

Bolkcom: So ISAC's what the 18th, 19th, 20th?

Lacina: Correct.

Bolkcom: So, do you want to meet the 17th, double up on the 17th?

Lacina: Yes.

Stutsman: Double up on the 24th. is that what we were thinking of doing?

Bolkcom: Or, what about not meeting on the 24th? What about not meeting that week?

Duffy: Yes, that would be better (inaudible).

Bolkcom: Anybody got a feeling about that?

Lacina: Why don't we just meet for claims?

Stutsman: Who's going for claims? If we're going to come in ourselves, there better be 3 of us here.

Bolkcom: I think we should take that week and not meet.

Stutsman: I guess I would be interested in not meeting that week, too.

Bolkcom: There's plenty of other work that we'd be here doing...

Lacina: No formal meetings, but we'd be in...

Stutsman: Yes, exactly. What we did in August, I think there was some limited discussion about maybe doing that every 3 months so that would...

Bolkcom: All right.

Lacina: Because of that change then, claims will have to come in the 17th or the first. So, we'll have to put all the departments on notice because we're skipping that Thursday. We're actually taking 3 meetings, 2 formals, normal time periods off.

Bolkcom: Sure.

Peters: Claims will be approved on the 3rd...

Lacina: Right, oh.

Duffy: I don't want the taxpayers to think we're taking off this week and that week, because usually if we don't meet on a week that might be one of our busiest weeks of the whole year.

Bolkcom: That's true. We're not going to meet formally or informally. I imagine that week people will have another dozen meetings to go to, it's not like...

Stutsman: It's always a good time to catch up.

Lacina: Deer Creek Road discussions that week.

Bolkcom: So we'll meet the formal informal on the 17th, and then we'll be back on the 3rd, or I'm sorry, December first for our regular informal. Let's get that on the web page.

Bolkcom: Where are we at? Item E: Discussion regarding advertising an appointment regarding the Johnson County Senior Center Commission for term ending December 31st, 1999. As members of the Board know, we had a member that the Board appointed, Wilma Connor, who passed away last week, unfortunately, and its created an opening on the Commission. I suppose we want to maybe put out a press release soliciting applicants.

Lacina: Since the term ends in December, do you wish to, when do we normally go out, November?

Bolkcom: It's a year from now.

Lacina: Oh, she's got a year from now...

Bolkcom: It's a year from December. It's December '99.

Lacina: ...I'm sorry. I apologize. That's right, should have read it.

Bolkcom: I would recommend that we consider having applications through the 2nd of October; give it a couple of solid weeks. If we could get that out by the end of the week.

Duffy: Is there any that...

Stutsman: Sounds good.

Duffy:...applied before that have anybody on a list there you know (inaudible).

Bolkcom: I think the other consideration for this appointment will be the Board's ongoing interest to have stronger advocacy about County viewpoints on the commission. That would be something to consider in our applicants, so we'll go ahead and advertise.

Bolkcom: Item F: Discussion regarding appointing 2 Board of Supervisors to the Johnson County SEATS Para Transit Advisory Committee. We are due to make appointments. We have a little more (inaudible) to do this, we'll prepare to do it. It's expected that the Advisory Committee will probably meet for the first time in late October, mid to late October. We have our new director starting on, I believe, October 12th. Take her maybe a couple weeks to just get oriented to what's going on. We've got a good 6 weeks before this committee will be meeting, probably. So.

Lacina: Who would like to serve on that?

Bolkcom: I would have an interest in serving initially, to kind of get it off to a start.

Lacina: I think it would probably would be best if you or I not, just for continuity. I think the 3 of you who are going to be working with this committee really ought to...

Stutsman: (Inaudible) did you have interest in it?

Duffy: I would do it. Yes, I'd have interest in it. Unless you want to Sally.

Stutsman: No. It doesn't matter to me. I...

Jordahl: Yes, I don't mean by silence to suggest that I'm not interested. I'd be interested in serving on it. It's just a question of, I think the Board, in its wisdom. appoint those people who would probably be the most useful to serve on it. Whatever that is. I've been interested in the issue. Charlie has a lot of familiarity with issues regarding seniors, going to the Senior Center all the time. That's the one population that's (inaudible) get a lot of experience in the social services. (Inaudible) served as chair Mental Health Development Disabilities planning council over the last year. Any one of the 3 of us, any 2 of the 3 of us could reasonably do that.

Bolkcom: I know I'm a lame duck. I would be interested in getting this off to a certain start in the next, as it meets. It will probably have a couple meetings toward the end of the year. Having worked on the formation of the agreement and just kind of tenor of getting things rolling on a good foot. I would certainly be interested in...

Lacina: Given the feelings that were established during the labor negotiations, the contract negotiations, I think it would be good for 2 new people to go on from the Board. And, since City Council's, they're not going to be replacing their people. I really think who goes in there now, you're going to have to work with Lisa to get her up and running, as well as get this under (inaudible). To be on it for 3 months and go off I don't think is a good idea for the County. I think if we're going to be serious about this, whoever goes on really needs to start with the first meeting and stay on this thing and make it go. But again...

Bolkcom: That's a pretty good argument.

Lacina: ...you need to decide, so. And I would have no problem, if you want Joe to do it, that's fine.

Stutsman: I guess I would suggest Charlie...

Jordahl: Yourself? Is that what silence implies?

Stutsman: I guess I agree with Steve's argument about continuity and somebody staying on that's going to be on the Board past January. So that leaves...

Jordahl: 3 of us.

Stutsman: Should we draw straws?

Bolkcom: Should we draw straws? Why don't you draw straws huh?

Stutsman: Why don't we discuss this among ourselves.

Lacina: Arm wrestle.

Stutsman: All right.

Lacina: Before Thursday? Do you want to do it Thursday?

Jordahl: I think it would be OK to go ahead and make the appointment.

Bolkcom: Thursday, all right. It's on for Thursday.

Lacina: Stay tuned for further developments.

Jordahl: Loud screaming and hollering in the background.

(Continued in Part 4)