MINUTES OF THE INFORMAL MEETING OF THE JOHNSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS:

JANUARY 19 AND 21, 1999

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Chairperson Jordahl called the Johnson County Board of Supervisors to order in the Johnson County Administration Building at 9:05 a.m. Members present were: Charles Duffy, Jonathan Jordahl, and Mike Lehman; absent: Stutsman. Also present was Administrative Assistant Carol Peters.

REVIEW OF MINUTES

Jordahl: Commencing the informal meeting of the Board of Supervisors for January 19, 1999. First item on the agenda is, or second I guess, is the review of the formal minutes of January 14th. Has anyone had the chance to look over those and have any comments or changes that need to be made? If not we'll have those on for formal approval on Thursday. Item 3, business from the County Engineer. We have Mike Gardner and Kevin Hackathorn on this apparently snowy morning.

COUNTY ENGINEER MIKE GARDNER: QUOTES RECEIVED TO REPLACE A 1989 JOHN DEERE 770BH MOTOR GRADER

County Engineer Mike Gardner: Yes.

Secondary Roads Maintenance Supervisor Kevin Hackathorn: Just in Iowa City.

Jordahl: It's only here. It's because of the warmth of the concrete development. I don't know.

Hackathorn: We've got that.

Jordahl: Discussion regarding quotes received to replace a 1989 John Deere 770BH Motor Grader with approximately 5,000 hours of usage.

Gardner: I think Kevin has handed out the 2 bids we received for the motor graders. This is a replacement of one of the units we've got out at the shop. And from that point I'm just going to turn it over to him and let him take it because he's going to be able to answer your questions a lot better than I would.

Hackathorn: Yes. I've taken the quotes from John Deere and Caterpillar and Caterpillar has come down some, getting closer, but I recommend that we take the low bid of John Deere. It's over $10,000 cheaper than Cat and I think they're comfortable machines. We're trying a new wing on this motor grader. It's going to be a (inaudible) wing that they've made a lot of advances on. We can actually tuck our blade underneath, behind the wing, and make one continuous (inaudible).

Lehman: Before it took 2 trips to... You'd leave a (inaudible) between the blade underneath versus the (inaudible)?

Hackathorn: Well before the post was down almost all the way to the ground you could only bring your plate back so far and you had trouble blading gravel roads when you had your wing on. Now we can sling it actually underneath, we can blade gravel and plus 2... Yes like you say, make it continuous. Before it would have a stagger where you wouldn't leave out there, just to make it easier for the other maintenance why we'd have to (inaudible).

Lehman: John Deere offered that but the Cat did not?

Hackathorn: Exclusive wing for John Deere and as of now they're just making them for John Deere is what they're telling me.

Jordahl: Sounds cheaper and got the new wing. Better than tailfins.

Hackathorn: Can't beat it.

Lehman: Is that your normal, like 4,900, is that what you normally expect out of them?

Hackathorn: Some are more, some are less. Basically it's like this one. They're all generally 10 to 11 years old and this is usually the hours we end up with and some of them, like I say, will be up around 6,000 but this is probably about average.

Lehman: How about your warranty. Any difference in the 2 sources?

Hackathorn: I bumped the warranty up a little for these and it's 7 year, 5,000 7 year warranty on these. Before we were getting like 3 years on them and I bumped them up to get a little more warranty on them. I (inaudible)...

Lehman: Did you ask a bid on the extended warranty?

Hackathorn: Yes.

Lehman: Normally they're probably looking at a year or 2.

Hackathorn: It's fine as the bid package.

Lehman: OK. So there... Apples for apples, both of them are bidding the same package.

Jordahl: So you say 5,000, that's hours then? Is that how tractors go?

Hackathorn: Yes.

Jordahl: I know my tractor talks to me in hours but I'm not sure how to interpret it.

Lehman: But is that a 100% or is she a percentage?

Hackathorn: The warranty coverage? Yes, that's for everything on the machine.

Lehman: Oh.

Jordahl: Everything.

Lehman: That's not bad when you.

Hackathorn: Well your normal thing like your...

Jordahl: Paint for example.

Hackathorn: ...batteries, the oil things like that you've got to cover but it's your mechanical.

Lehman: Yes, but just looking, you put 4,900 on your other one, I don't imagine you probably had that warranty on it.

Hackathorn: No.

Lehman: You could have.

Hackathorn: Yes, the years are going to be what take us first I'm sure before the hours.

Lehman: Yes.

Hackathorn: By then most of our bugs should be worked out of... hopefully.

Lehman: And this is a cash bid and you don't do any leasing or anything like that anymore?

Hackathorn: No.

Lehman: OK.

Jordahl: Nice to have a guy who knows tractors on the Board. I recognize motor grader, we're not exactly taking tractor here, but it seems like the language is the same.

Hackathorn: Yes.

Lehman: Everything else... Horsepower pretty close?

Hackathorn: Horsepower is close, the cubic inch, the Caterpillar was way higher but the horsepower was about the same. They all... It's a variable horse machine so it all fluctuates in the gears. They're six-wheel drive, creating... It's the tanning drive.

Lehman: OK. Price being equal, you wouldn't have a problem with either machine, you're just saying that...

Hackathorn: Right, right.

Lehman: ...you do pick up an advantage with that wing on the John Deere.

Hackathorn: Uh-huh.

Jordahl: We're going from two-wheel drive to six-wheel drive on these things?

Hackathorn: Yes.

Jordahl: Wow, that's a step up.

Hackathorn: We've got a couple of them. We've tried them...

Duffy: (inaudible)

Hackathorn: ...and they seem to work really well in this... This grader will be up in the Swisher area where there's a lot of hills and things so it will help tremendously on winters like this.

Jordahl: I certainly have to say, having to run around these roads the last few days, driving my wife back and forth to the airport and stuff and then go up bad roads. The roads are in good shape.

Gardner: Thank you.

Jordahl: Yes, I don't know how many counties plow the ditches but we have stuff like beveled down, the shoulders, down to the ditches where it's incredible.

Hackathorn: That's where the snowing, that's why.

Duffy: You really do a good job.

Hackathorn: Thank-you Charlie. I'll pass it on to the guys.

Jordahl: Well, I guess if... Charlie you have any more questions for the guys here? This is covered in the current budget without problems? Is this under now the capital budget that's separate? I know that Secondary Roads is kind of a different animal.

Gardner: Well we have our own line for new equipment but it's in the Secondary Roads Budget.

Jordahl: So you could tap that line for personnel expenses or whatever if you wanted to or do you tend to isolate that?

Gardner: No, this is just new equipment.

Jordahl: Is that isolation of the budget line something that's enforced by the DOT (Department of Transportation) for example?

Gardner: We can exceed our... There are several breakdowns in there and we can exceed each one by 10% but no more than that without a budget amendment to the DOT.

Jordahl: OK.

Gardner: So we are restricted in that order.

Jordahl: Uh-huh. Although 10% of $139,000 is still a considerable figure.

Gardner: Uh-huh. Right.

Jordahl: Yes. So the money's there. I know that your budget's in pretty good shape so if there are no more questions we'll have this on for approval on Thursday.

Gardner: Actually, unless you just want to, there's not really a need. This was more for your information...

Jordahl: Just an FYI.

Gardner: We try to bring this into you when we get these big ticket...

Lehman: You're telling us it's already sitting out there?

Gardner: No, no. It's already approved in the budget and then on the big ticket items we like to bring them in and run them past you just for your information mostly.

Duffy: When will you get this machine?

Hackathorn: I think it's 90, 120 day delivery on that.

Duffy: Well that's (inaudible).

Jordahl: So you should get her by Spring then?

Gardner: Yes. Nice to get her bumped up a little if we could the way this winter is going.

Jordahl: Well at least we're not talking about 2001 or something. The last piece of equipment you were talking about, the snowplow, was a long date.

Hackathorn: Yes our long trucks are... From here now, some of them up to 2 years.

Jordahl: Man.

Hackathorn: All of them are at least a year.

Jordahl: Better get your shopping list updated.

Lehman: Yes. But it may make your trade-ins worth more if the new ones are tight. Are there other counties that are buying our used stuff? Do you have any... not that they make any difference.

Gardner: I think the last grader that I got rid of, they said it went to Mexico.

Duffy: Jeez.

Gardner: Yes.

Jordahl: A lot of snow down there in Mexico.

Lehman: The nice advantage of new stuff (inaudible) you know there's high demand for used and it shows up in your trading.

Jordahl: If there's another item here, if you gentlemen don't have an other, I have an other that came up. Last night I was talking to Glenn Potter of Tiffin about annexation that's on the agenda later on here. He mentioned to me an interest in our county building there in Tiffin that used to be that temporary buildings business, and wondering if Tiffin could acquire that for a fire station and maybe do some kind of a trade because they've acquired a bunch of land along Highway 6, south of 6 and west of Jasper Avenue. They're going to do a whole bunch of development in there with sports fields and so forth. One of those temporary buildings is very similar to the building in Tiffin that I suggested to Glenn might be worked out, some kind of a deal. I guess they own the land but somebody else owns that building and so there's some room there for parlaying if you have any interest in doing that. Glenn would like to talk to you all at least.

Hackathorn: OK.

Gardner: I'm sure we can look into it.

Hackathorn: Yes.

Jordahl: It might be easier for us to get out onto Highway 6 and start from there then to start from inside of Tiffin.

Hackathorn: That's always nice when you're starting machines up early in the morning if you're not in a residential area.

Jordahl: Uh-huh. Yes. So I guess I'd recommend you talk to him.

Gardner: OK.

Hackathorn: OK. Thanks.

Lehman: Thanks guys.

Gardner: Thank-you.

Jordahl: Thanks for coming in. Well business from the Board of Supervisors, that's us. Discussion regarding surplus property from Johnson County Human Services. You've got it attached to your agenda here.

DISCUSSION: SURPLUS PROPERTY FROM JOHNSON COUNTY HUMAN SERVICES

Administrative Assistant Carol Peters: Noreen called a couple of weeks ago saying that they had some surplus property up there and was that one where the procedure was. She has circulated to the other departments the few items that they have. And so now at this point she is requesting that the Board declare these surplus property and authorize her to share them with Goodwill. She has visited with a representative over there. There's not much value here and I had suggested that she visit with a couple of services organizations. She did and they would probably accept them if it was approved by the Board.

Jordahl: Uh-huh. So we're on there before January 15 probably. That date has to be changed a little bit.

Peters: Oh well no. Everybody had to get back to her by that date.

Jordahl: Uh-huh. Well it seems like pretty small change we're talking about here.

Peters: It is.

Duffy: That's right.

Peters: They're reorganizing up there. They're... With the offices and the people in the (inaudible) so in the process they have uncovered some treasures.

Jordahl: Yes, these do sound sweet. Is any of this stuff you're really attracted to Carol?

Peters: No. The only response she had was for that first item and another department did call in and say hey, save that for me. But this has been to all the other departments in Johnson County.

Jordahl: Uh-huh. Right well.

Duffy: This is a good deal I think for a kind of cooperation between the different departments.

Jordahl: So she's going to call Goodwill then?

Duffy: Yes.

Peters: She has called Goodwill and they will accept it if the Board is indeed (inaudible).

Jordahl: Oh OK.

Peters: So, if it's OK, I'll put them on for Thursday for addition.

Jordahl: I don't hear any complaints up here.

Lehman: Yes.

Jordahl: Just a lot of nodding. It looks like a yes to me.

Peters: OK. Okey-doke. Thank-you.

MINUTES RECEIVED: JOHNSON COUNTY COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS REGIONAL TRAILS AND BICYCLING COMMITTEE FOR 10/27/98 AND JOHNSON COUNTY BOARD OF HEALTH FOR 06/15/98, 07/20/98, 08/17/98, 09/21/98, 10/19/98, 11/9/98, 11/23/98, AND 12/17/98; VOLUNTARY ANNEXATIONS FROM THE CITY OF TIFFIN SUBMITTED ON 01/12/99 AND VOLUNTARY ANNEXATIONS FROM THE CITY OF CORALVILLE SUBMITTED ON 01/12/99

Jordahl: All right then. Boy, have we got Johnson County Board of Health Minutes. I haven't passed these all along here, in part because I haven't read them. I've got a stack of these things here. Minutes received. So if you want to read about the Board of Health, we've got them. This dates from June through December of 1998. I guess there was kind of a backlog. I don't have a detailed explanation of that.

Lehman: I was kind of curious too. I read through them and it was interesting for me. I was just kind of curious, is that standard operating procedure for them?

Peters: No that is not standard operating procedure. What happened was a different person was doing the minutes and she didn't realize that as soon as they were approved by their Board of Health they were supposed to furnish the Board of Supervisors with a copy. So she went back and... to update the whole file. So from now on you'll be getting them on a regular basis.

Lehman: OK. It was kind of nice for me to read them all together because then I was able to track everything rather than a week apart.

Peters: For continuity there.

Jordahl: We've got lots of stuff for you to read here.

Lehman: I'll find that out.

Jordahl: Well it's good to now that those will be more regular. I think there's been some staffing changes certainly discussed over in health. I haven't been tracking the specific responsibility for the minutes but it looks like it's getting back on track so I look forward to seeing those regularly. Let's see here. We have Rick and R.J. here and I'll just bet you gentlemen are here in association with the voluntary annexations requests.

Planning and Zoning Administrator Rick Dvorak: If you had any questions.

Jordahl: I have some answers too, so we could have quite a discussion. Do you want to step up to the microphone here? We've got items 3 and 4, voluntary annexations from the City of Tiffin and voluntary annexations from the City of Coralville, coincidentally covering the same piece of ground. So that makes it a little more interesting than usual. Mike called this to my attention in his comments on his documents as they were circulating and I took the opportunity last night to speak with some of the principles here. Mark Van Gundy has got a piece of property in here that is fairly small, just his residence, and then he's within a section of ground that's owned ultimately by Clint Rerick and I guess Clint wanted to go with Coralville rather than Tiffin. So Tiffin proposed this annexation is the way this all started. And then Clint said well wait a minute, and he wanted to go with Coralville because he believed that he'd be more likely to provide services for possible commercial development at the proposed future interstate exchange there at Evergreen Road and 380. How close am I?

Dvorak: Exactly. Exactly.

Jordahl: I also talked to Glenn Potter and he said that the... Tiffin really didn't have a problem with them going with Coralville. So it seemed like, Mike was concerned that maybe we have a war on our hands here even though we don't have any direct authority in the matter. That it seems after talking to the people involved that it's not as big a problem as it looks like. You have anything you need to add to that Rick? Is there anything you have to do?

Dvorak: I know when Mike Singer brought this to my attention, Joe Bolkcom was here, and we asked what the City of Tiffin's plans were for the annexation.

Jordahl: Uh-huh.

Dvorak: At that time they had none and we asked them why you are annexing. The obvious answer is just to create that buffer to make sure that they can keep their own anonymity. But again, this was in their area that they anticipated on annexing according to the fringe areas so that is in conformance. One of the main questions we always have, and I wanted Mike to stay but he had another meeting, is maintenance on that road Johnson (inaudible). And that's not really addressed. I know that in the past Michael has had concerns that we in the past always worked out, we'll take this road those people will take that road type of swapping so there isn't a blade going by a medium blade on the road. And that would be, if there were a question asked to Tiffin, and or Coralville, I would think that Mike would want that question addressed. Now I don't know if you want me to get back to him or if you have an answer to that question, maybe you do now.

Jordahl: I have not asked that question.

Dvorak: It appears they're taking the road but I'm just assuming that.

Jordahl: Tiffin?

Dvorak: Correct. All the way up to Forever Green Road. But being that it appears that maybe Coralville will end up with a quarter of a mile or an eighth of a mile and Tiffin will end up with a quarter an eighth of a mile. That's fine. That's between those 2 communities. But if they're annexing and not taking the road, we should know that. And that appears to be the same one... I assume Forever Green Road continues to the west but I don't remember physically.

Jordahl: What it does, no... Let's see here.

Dvorak: Stops there at Jasper?

Jordahl: Yes, it stops there. Tees into Jasper there.

Dvorak: So maybe that's not an issue. But again it...

Jordahl: It probably should continue though at some point.

Dvorak: Well I know in the long range planning we've talked about making that an interstate intersection.

Jordahl: Right.

Dvorak: But that might be a question for Jeff Davidson too, and the cities but I know there's been some... Tiffin and Coralville haven't been able to sit down very frequently and resolve things.

Jordahl: Or amicably?

Dvorak: I need to say that tactfully. But I still think there should be, either Mike or somebody should send their contact to both cities and find out what they propose on doing for road maintenance and.

Jordahl: Yes.

Duffy: Absolutely. A good thing you brought that up.

Dvorak: Then the second question you brought briefly this morning to Mike about that property being annexed into Tiffin on the south side of Highway 6.

Jordahl: Uh-huh.

Dvorak: That also may have an impact on the remained of Jasper Avenue down to the interstate.

Jordahl: It certainly does raise that question. Because now they've got both sides of it. They've got the whole darned thing, at least up to wherever that section line is. I think that's pretty much the top of the hill.

Dvorak: I don't have an answer for that. Personally I think Mike want to get, or you may want to ask Mike to talk to the participants in this and find out what the maintenance is going to be on those roads.

Jordahl: Uh-huh.

Dvorak: The other question is, we were eavesdropping but in reality that property south of Highway 6 to Jasper Avenue, we've been involved in that. We felt there was an illegal splitting of property and I advised both of the attorneys of that and they've never gotten back to me. I don't think that the annexation is even on the table officially yet but I know it's being discussed because I know Dean Oak owned it then he was going to sell it to Bruce Glasgow if the annexation would continue on. Or is it the other way around.

Jordahl: What Glenn told me was that they bought it.

Dvorak: The city had bought the property?

Jordahl: Uh-huh.

Dvorak: That green building that we've had complaints about?

Jordahl: Uh-huh. Has changed hands apparently.

Dvorak: Right, and that never went through planning. Now if they annexed it, we have no problem, but at that time, about a week or a week-and-a-half ago I talked to the individual owning that, I can't remember his name, was not interested in annexing. So if he didn't annex, that's a violation of our regulations.

Jordahl: What Glenn told me is that Tiffin owns the land under the building.

Duffy: What's (inaudible)...

Dvorak: Well there was going to be a deed on that and that's why they talked to their attorney this morning at that time because there had been 2 or 3 involved in this transfer of property. So that maybe a question to find out too if that's true or not.

Jordahl: Yes, Glenn... Apparently there's some snaggle with that building and so maybe you and...

Dvorak: That I might. I'll research that one myself.

Jordahl: Yes, somebody figure that out.

Duffy: What building are we talking about again?

Dvorak: Well, Dean Oaks had this, I'm going to call it a green machine shed. I don't know how else to describe it. That at one time he was allowing people to store heavy equipment there. I got in touch with him, he got rid of that. And then now, this other gentlemen I thought bought the property, but maybe it, as you say, maybe it's building on leased land. But definitely, they were using our sub-division regulation to call for Don Servo that agricultural properties are exempt from platting. Well in our opinion that definitely wasn't an agricultural building and you'd concur with that, that was a business. So I didn't feel that that would fall under that exemption. But then they said well we're going to annex it so we just got out of it then. I didn't feel it was all I'm going to do. If it was annexed, I don't have any authority anyway. Then the last thing I heard was no the guy didn't want to be annexed... Then they supposedly sold the property. That was like within the last 2 weeks.

Jordahl: Yes, I think... That's kind of where I understand that it is, that Glenn figures they own the land but the guy figures he owns the building so it's like was he going to (inaudible) the building, does Tiffin buy the building?

Dvorak: The other thing was that property, and Jonathan is aware of this, probably 90% to 100% of that property is on a flood plain. And I know we've been real careful about disturbing flood plains, even if it is annexed. Because if they start building it up in that area it does have an impact on the rural residents upstream. When you start flowing downstream it pushes the water back upstream so... And I didn't realize that there was any plans for it, nobody mentioned that to me. So I would be concerned to know what they proposed with that.

Jordahl: Well what I heard was 2 softball diamonds, a pee-wee ball diamond, 2 soccer fields right next to Jasper Avenue and possibly a new school.

Dvorak: Fall on the flood plain.

Jordahl: The school wouldn't be. You know where that one brown house is if you come east out of Tiffin?

Dvorak: Yes.

Jordahl: It'd be near that, probably just east of that house.

Dvorak: That might be out of the flood plain.

Jordahl: So that's up high enough so that it is out of the flood plain.

Dvorak: It might be above it.

Jordahl: There's kind of a little rise there.

Dvorak: Well if it's OK with the Board, I'll get in touch with Mike Singer and at least start checking backwards into that one little piece where that buildings at. Maybe come back to you with some more information on what they're proposing.

Jordahl: Uh-huh. That'd be great.

Dvorak: Then I'll get in touch with Mike and have him contact the City also.

Jordahl: Yes, I think the question of maintenance on Jasper Avenue becomes... I mean, like you say that annexation, we haven't seen yet. But if they bought it I guess it stands to reason they're going to annex it.

Dvorak: Correct.

Jordahl: I don't suppose that they're going to go do all this construction in rural Johnson County.

Dvorak: That's correct.

Duffy: Maybe some day we could drive out there with the van.

Dvorak: Sure, at your convenience. Sally's got the van today so not today. But yes, we'll get back to you then on those and if you find out something Jonathan give us a shout too.

Jordahl: Yes, well I've just told you pretty much the extent of what I know except that they are going to be letting bids for their sewage treatment plant in February. And proposing the ability to serve up to 3,000 residents in Tiffin which looks like they're building for the future anyway.

Dvorak: It's a good thing. That's all we had.

Duffy: Well they have a good land use planner.

Dvorak: Uh-huh.

Assistant Planning and Zoning Administrator R.J. Moore: (Inaudible) true of ours.

Jordahl: As I understand it we could enter into a discussion of this if we want to, at the city development board level we could go in there and sort of stand at the table and talk. But normally this is just for a review and it looks like it's not really a contentious issue.

Dvorak: According to our friends at Evergreens they're to notify us, and they obviously have.

Duffy: But it looks like to me that the annexation issue is between Coralville and Tiffin. But again I'm glad you brought up the road because somebody should annex that road.

Dvorak: I know we've had problems with municipalities in the past that annexed to the center of the road and they don't work with us on agreements and like I said, machines meeting each other which doesn't make any sense.

Jordahl: Uh-huh.

Dvorak: OK, well that's all I have.

Jordahl: But then in terms of Jasper Avenue from Highway 6 to that south section line, that's going all be in Tiffin that's there's then. There's no debate about that because they've already got the east side of the road, they get the west side of the road, they can't not take the road.

Dvorak: It has happened before.

Moore: They could try.

Jordahl: Well.

Dvorak: I'm not saying that they would but we've run into cases where the municipality... Well Iowa City did it over here.

Jordahl: It's my understanding from Linn County that we can require them to take the road.

Moore: That's where input at the City Development Board would be real appropriate. That they'd try not to take the road and have us maintain it though it's within their... surrounded by them.

Jordahl: Yes, we need to square that up. That'll be a... Are you going to talk to Mike about that? OK. I'd appreciate it if you'd back me a little bit or Mike would.

Moore: You bet.

Dvorak: Thank-you.

Jordahl: OK. Reports? Anything to report?

Lehman: I have nothing.

Duffy: I guess not.

REPORT (JORDAHL): UPCOMING BUDGET WORK SESSION; UPCOMING ELECTED OFFICIALS MEETING; AND UPCOMING MH/MR/DD/BI PLANNING COUNCIL MEETING; UPCOMING SEATS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING; AND UPCOMING STRATEGIC PLANNING WORK SESSION

Jordahl: How about that? Well, do I have anything to report. Where are we at? We've got our next budget meeting on Friday. We're trying to keep up with that. Elected officials meeting this afternoon at 1:30 here in this room. We've got the agenda here printed on our agenda for this morning and we're going to be looking at... outlines of the 2000 budget there. Space Needs Committee report. Local option sales tax. I think maybe we'll let you deal with that one Charlie.

Duffy: I think the chair ought to deal with that. But I think that it should be explained to the public what we did.

Jordahl: Yes it should.

Duffy: Because right now they...

Jordahl: Well do you want to report on that?

Duffy: No I think you do a perfectly good job.

Jordahl: I will do it this afternoon when it's on the agenda. GIS, a lot of stuff in here. So, and selection of a new chair. So if anybody has any real desire to be a chair of the elected officials meetings for the next year this would be the time to start lobbying your colleagues for that. MH/MR/DD/BI planning council meeting this afternoon. This will be the first meeting since...

Duffy: I guess it is this afternoon.

Jordahl: Yes, it will be here in this room 4:30 I think it is. Maybe 4:00. I think it's 4:30. More doggoned... Yes, 4:30 in this room. And this will be the first meeting since Craig has resigned as director of the CTC and so Deb Conger I assume will be there. And we're in search for a new director so this is going to be an interesting meeting, like a time to kind of... a little open discussion of where we are and try to get some confidence to people about orderly progress of that department. SEATS Advisory Committee meets tomorrow afternoon at 1:30. Whose going to that? Charlie.

Lehman: I'll be out of town.

Jordahl: You'll be out of town.

Lehman: Wednesday, Thursday.

Jordahl: So maybe I can go to that, unless... When does Sally go? Sally on there isn't she?

Duffy: Sally, yes.

Jordahl: Yes, so Sally should be at that one. JCCOG meeting also tomorrow afternoon at 4:00, Johnson County Council of Governments. And then there our budget meeting again on Friday, all day. Review your math. Carol do you have anything to chip in here?

Peters: Just one thing. I am setting up the strategic planning meeting for February 10. I did ask Mr. Shields if he would touch base with you.

Jordahl: Uh-huh. Good. I'm looking forward to that and putting in place some additional...

Peters: And for those here we might want to remind them, this is just the Board's (inaudible) to get the planning session at the (inaudible) department.

Jordahl: Yes, sort of Board goal setting. It worked really well, I think it was 2 years ago when I first came on the Board. We had a fairly diverse Board of Supervisors and sat down, and came up with some things we really did agree on, to work on. And that's been really helpful in guiding us. So now we are going to have 2 new Board members and we really need to sit down and talk about where we want to go and at what rate perhaps. Do members of the public have questions, comments, inquiries?

(Continued in Part 2)