Jordahl: Do members of the public have questions, comments, inquiries?

Joe Gjovig: Yes, I've got a couple things. One thing, if I read the paper correctly all your appointments on the Space Needs Committee are employees of the county. There's nobody from the public on that committee. Is there some reason for that?

Duffy: Good question.

Jordahl: Good question, yes.

Duffy: Because I'm on it myself so I'm not going to say anything.

Gjovig: I would think you'd want somebody from the public on there also.

Peters: Wasn't the reasoning behind that is you're at the point right now where you're trying to find out just exactly what the needs are within the county where a person from another area would not know the needs as well as the departments and stuff?

Jordahl: It's kind of analogous to the Computer Implementation Committee process I think. We have a... When we looked at implementing the report of the Computer Needs Committee we looked to the county departments because they needed to report to us about where they stood in computerization and where they wanted to go and how they were going to respond to the ideas presented in that report. So it's kind of a, sort of an internal county budget setting kind of a thing. How much money are we going to need commit. Over what time can your department absorb these things and so forth. And we're asking the departments to report about what their internal pressures are. So I think Carol's right in saying that outside input is less important at that point. Your question though, I mean it makes a lot of sense to me to talk about... Then all right, what is the other side of that process that would be comparable to the Computer Needs Committee process that looked... where we did have members of the community sit down and look at the county from the outside and say what is the... Given their roles as experts in many cases, in the use of computers, how could they bring that expertise to bear on the needs of the County, how do they see the needs of the County? It might be a good second phase of the process to take the needs as expressed by the departments and bring in members of the community to help prioritize those.

Gjovig: Before you start looking for space, I would think the first concern would be the actual need of these departments. In fact even to the point of wanting to get the consultant, someone from the outside to make a study of this. What is really the need?

Jordahl: Uh-huh.

Gjovig: You're just assuming that there's a need there.

Jordahl: We have got consultants. We've been working... The Space Needs Committee has been working with Dwight Dobberstein of Newman Munson Architects through out the course of its work. And they have just retained a consultant to look at the jail needs, because the jail, that would be a big ticket item and we've got to walk carefully with that one. So we are putting some money into a consultant for that. And isn't there also, I've got some information here on my desk about a consultant for the Department of Health Building. I don't think that actions actually been taken yet but there's some...

Duffy: The Department of Health I didn't think...

Jordahl: Yes, I think it's something you haven't seen yet.

Duffy: I'm not so sure.

Jordahl: I've still got to read and circulate it here. Anyway there's some talk about that. So we have a general architectural consultant that's looking at the space needs, and we have a specific one for the jail.

Lehman: But all the meetings I think of the Space Needs Committee are open to the public.

Jordahl: Yes.

Lehman: It's a way to keep up on it but maybe you'd like to have a little more direct input or...

Gjovig: The public I should say should have some input.

Lehman: Yes, so it's not a railroad type deal. And the public doesn't feel that that's what might happen. I can understand your feelings.

Gjovig: I feel that the public is being left out of the... Even knowing what's going on in that committee (inaudible).

Lehman: Well they are open to the public. But meetings are available to people that aren't able to attend the meeting.

Gjovig: But automatically on those committee that you've pointed out, I think you'd want some from the public to get some input from the public as well as from the departments.

Reverend Bob Welsh: I don't know whether those meetings have been posted on the web site or...

Jordahl: I assume.

Welsh: ...any announcements on the papers. I haven't seen any of those.

Jordahl: I assume that they have been but I can't verify that right now. I will check.

Lehman: They're open meetings so they should...

League of Women Voters Representative Carol Spaziani: One of the reasons you've been having the Space Needs Committee come into your Thursday meetings is to hopefully have more exposure to the general public, so that the general public will know where you are and what role.

Jordahl: Uh-huh.

Gjovig: (inaudible) I don't mean to be criticizing the Board, but from attending meetings and observing, that at times the public has been neglected and not being taken into consideration. And they need to be more involved, the public.

Jordahl: I'm certainly sensitive to that perspective. I agree with you. I'm not trying to justify the current form of the committee so much as to explain it. The agenda was to look at the departments and get feedback from them about what their needs were. It was like what did they perceive their own needs to be. But the point you raised seems to point to, maybe the second phase of that process. I would balance those. It would be nice to have public input during discussion of that. Yes, Carol.

Spaziani: Might I just, Carol Spaziani, might I just suggest from my experience years ago when the library began it's space planning process they used was very similar. Internal staff committee working with consultants first. But part of the planning process was a user survey. At some point in that process they would stand in the lobby and give out surveys to people coming in to see whether they wanted a branch, what their problems were with parking. So that they used sort of a systematic way of getting broad public input to that process that the committee and then the consultants could then use. And that worked quite well so you might want to consider those.

Jordahl: Yes. That's something that we've talked about on a more general level. The importance, or the utility of getting that kind of feedback and when people come to the counter. Just give them a piece of paper and how would you like...

Spaziani: It's more complicated for you because you have so many sites of delivery of service that you almost have to post somebody at each site or think of a more sophisticated way to gather that data. I don't know.

Jordahl: We actually have an extremely unsophisticated way that might work and that is the county newsletter. And when is that coming out?

Peters: The Communications Committee is meeting shortly. I don't remember the exact date. I know that's one of the items that they're (inaudible).

Jordahl: We have this organ that is sort of like a county newspaper that we're going to have published in the community news advertiser. And there will be the opportunity there of reaching 36,000 households.

Spaziani: That would be one good way but you also have to look into the...

Jordahl: The direct user.

Spaziani: ...response rate from different kinds of surveys. When you just depend on a shotgun approach with people who are motivated sending in, that's one way of doing it, but it isn't everything and sometimes better ways are telephone surveys where you gather the data right on the phone with the person or in an person survey in which you stand there while they complete it and collect it before they leave so you're sure you get a pretty good response rate. You might want to use one or more of those methods. Also it helps lay the ground work if you ever need to do a bond issue or anything for later funding, it helps lay the ground work because people have had some input into the planning.

Peters: And that is what the county did when they built the jail. An internal committee then an external committee and it was (inaudible).

Spaziani: In the later stage then you have a public committee to help you work with funding solutions but at this stage you're getting input on what people think they need from the county which then lays the groundwork for later support of any financing that might be necessary.

Lehman: I think right now they're on kind of a fact finding mission with bringing in the consultant. I know that a lot of times it looks like well you're bringing somebody in to back up what you already want.

Spaziani: Not true.

Lehman: And I think this individual, if he is brought on board, is going to be pretty open minded and he may have several options. But I think the general public wants to have some input in those choices once they're selected but I think we're at the point we're trying to find out what our options are if any.

Spaziani: The consultants are really at a different level. They have more technical expertise. For instance in the jail they know what the jail standards are and what your population is and exactly what kinds of services are required by state inspectors so that you can put all those things into a planning process and the public may not have that level of expertise yet. Later it seems like they would come in (inaudible).

Duffy: Well Carol, consultants aren't cheap. I would say in a case like the jail...

Spaziani: I know.

Duffy: ...that'd be all right but just the different departments in this County, and probably a lot of people that live in, maybe apartments and all that, they can say the same thing, that we need more space. Just take a look at as you walk in here, the Auditor's Office for example. But to do everything, you just can't do it. So there has to be, use the word priority, but have a consultant on everything, a special consultant, I don't think that'd fly. Plus the fact they should keep in mind, some survey like Human Services for example, what happened to that building all those years for a little over $6 a square foot and the property tax, being that's privately owned at $20,000, that goes back to Iowa City. You'd have to figure out just what it cost to implement the program so there's a lot of things connected here with it. So right now I think we are in budget trouble. I don't know how the other 2 Supervisors feel. The word priority is going to come up quite a bit.

Jordahl: I don't know about trouble but we sure have a priorities question, I'll agree with you there.

Duffy: Well, we'll see. Maybe I'll take back the word trouble but then again. We'll see how it goes.

Spaziani: If you're planning capital facilities that several generations hence are going to use though, investment in consulting expertise is not out of line.

Duffy: I didn't mean that but for everything, some consultants will get maybe $150 to $50 an hour or something like that. I think we've got enough experienced people that, except in special cases, I'm going to agree with you. Like the jail, we wouldn't even really need a new jail if we'd get a little more space to the west. That jail is not an old jail. It's only 20 years old.

Spaziani: I think that's one of the advantages of looking into longer range needs rather than just... It's hard to do that because financial pressures usually put constraints on how much advance space you can acquire at one time and so the 20 years later when you're out of space everybody says oh if we'd only done that. But they didn't spend the money to do it 20 years ago and that's why the problem is (inaudible).

Duffy: I think I'd go to (inaudible) first. Didn't it Carol? The first bond issue there was a larger jail but then again Moss changed too. Are they going to continue to be more stricter or are they going to go the other way on some things see? But it is a good well-built building. Well, anyway.

Spaziani: It was built about the same time the new public library was built which is (inaudible).

Jordahl: That's an interesting coincidence there. Yes. The thing that crops up to me thinking about these expenditures and the 20 year time frame is you look at the courthouse. Granted that it's needed some repairs and it's kind of crowded, that was built a 100 years ago. It lasted quite a long time. Again we've had to expand out into other buildings but...

Spaziani: Then you look at Europe and it's 500 to 800 years ago.

Jordahl: Yes. There we go, 500 year long range planning, that's what we need to do. Get a committee going on that.

Duffy: I don't know, if you'd guess.

Jordahl: Where are we going to be in 500 years Charlie?

Duffy: Well, I don't know. I suppose I'll be here but I don't think you 2 will.

Jordahl: We need to eat better Mike.

Gjovig: You're talking about the jail. I've got a suggestion that maybe far off. But give some thought to buying some land and building the deal outside the center of the city. And take the existing jail and remodel it for office space. (inaudible) help all these departments you're (inaudible) I need space for now.

Duffy: That's been considered.

Jordahl: Yes, that idea and ones like it have certainly been mentioned and I see the merit of that kind of thinking. I mean one of the big costs for the jail right where it would be is land. And land is cheaper elsewhere. We already have land elsewhere. So yes, that's...

Gjovig: Some people would feel more comfortable if the jail wasn't out, in the out part of the city rather than downtown.

Jordahl: One of the problems there is the convenience of getting prisoners from the jail to the courthouse. But I'm wondering if maybe there isn't, or maybe there's like one group that needs to go back and forth and another group that doesn't need to go back and forth and maybe we could have the group that needs to go back and forth there and others elsewhere. There's a lot of different things. That why we've got a consultant going here, is to try and weed out some of the chafe here and look at what is the most reasonable thing to do.

Duffy: I don't think if you would... We have to be careful where this jail would be. Because I don't think the rural people that, if this jail was built in the vicinity of where they lived, I don't think we'd make any friends doing that either. It would be about like in town. You have a good point there Joe but.

Gjovig: Well I'm not thinking of Charlie of doing that on any prime farmland.

Duffy: No I mean that...

Gjovig: ...without in the city where.

Duffy: I remember when the big jail in Coralville was built. Boy there was a lot of (inaudible) with that.

Gjovig: (Inaudible) would be lessened downtown if you had a (inaudible) expand downtown.

Lehman: You might be able to buy some ground outer areas that have expansion for... Down the road if that was (inaudible) too.

Jordahl: Yes, that 500 year plan.

Lehman: Yes.

Jordahl: It'd be nice to be there.

Lehman: I was thinking of 250 (inaudible) 500.

Jordahl: It's obviously a growing community. We're going to continue... The jail is going to need to be able to grow. And so, is it (inaudible) to expand it where it is? Are we going to be able to continue to grow there? Good question.

Gjovig: Another thing, I'm just (inaudible).

Jordahl: You've just been thinking. Long weekend.

Duffy: You haven't been here in a while Joe.

Gjovig: I haven't been able to come lately so I haven't been able to talk to you about some things that I've been concerned about. And you know you've been talking about this Local Option Sales Tax.

Jordahl: Yes.

Duffy: Yes.

Gjovig: I think one thought you should be given is to put that in the capital fund. That's where you need it. And this is an area that will be of value to the whole county.

Duffy: I don't agree with that Joe.

Gjovig: You don't agree with that?

Duffy: Absolutely not.

Jordahl: We've already decided on what our distribution formula will be. That was voted on on Thursday. We did put money towards the capital projects fund and I was very supportive of that. I think we could've, in terms of what our capitol needs are, build a new jail for crying out loud, we could put the whole proceeds of the Local Option Sales Tax there and still need more. I agree with you completely. But Charlie made a real good argument and prevailed on the Board last Thursday on using it primarily for rural purposes. For rural property tax relief, direct, for road construction, roads and bridges, and support for rural residents' contributions to libraries. Rural utilization of libraries. So that's... Our ballot language reflects that. Do I have the exact percentages? Is it 25% tax relief, 35% roads and bridges, and 10%...

Duffy: 15.

Jordahl: ... Or 15% for libraries.

Duffy: I think it's 15 on the libraries because the library is now, the rural fund pays for the usage of the rural people using the libraries. That amounts to about $358,000 a year and I don't think that we can continue to afford that. So I thought that's pretty good place for.

Gjovig: Well one question though. Where is that sales tax? That covers the whole county.

Jordahl: Well yes but...

Gjovig: So any sales in, say Iowa City and Coralville, the county is already in it. All that will do is...

Jordahl: That's correct but it must be remembered that of those sales that are generated in Iowa City and Coralville, those are sales that are being made on the basis of rural residents in many cases who drive into Iowa City and Coralville to spend their money. And so it's not like Iowa City and Coralville are independently generating all of that money. There's a state distribution formula that allocates money to the county for its purposes and it is only the rural residents who vote for that tax. In the document from the Secretary of State's Office that Pat White forwarded to us, the language that talks about how the monies will be distributed for that jurisdiction and it allows us to specify for rural property tax relief and so forth. So it seems clear that the distribution formula is intended to address how the monies will be spent in the area where the voters are voting for it. Iowa City gets an allocation of the property tax funds for its residents through the allocation formula and I think it's reflected in the vote that Iowa City residents don't vote for the imposition of this additional sales tax as county residents, it's only the rural residents. So, I originally was of 2 minds about that as you, thinking well if it was only imposed in the rural areas we'd only get a few hundred thousand dollars maybe whereas if it's imposed on Iowa City and Coralville and so forth we're going to get $2.5 million dollars a year so that property tax really should go to everybody. I think Charlie made a persuasive case that it should go for rural property tax relief, but it hasn't been said yet, we've got 15% for the jail and 10% for other human services and other space needs. And not just for the jail, jail and other similar space needs and then another 10% line. Really it's 25% for capital projects but it's in 2 separate lines, kind of isolating the jail as one. And there's an additional 5% for human services needs which again is a county wide expense. So there's a total of 30% that is effectively property tax relief for all county residents but the other 65% is rural property tax relief in effect, although 25% is specifically outlined for actual reduction of the tax rather than for a new spending purpose where the capital projects is going to be new spending rather than replacing existing spending.

Gjovig: But if it's something that's not acceptable to the public it's not going to get approved.

Duffy: That's the big thing about it.

Jordahl: Well yes, that's the whole idea of the vote.

Lehman: Our ballot, we had to structure, is going to be voted on by the rural residents. Iowa City is by Iowa City. It could pass in certain areas and not others. In that case, say it didn't pass in Iowa City the rest of the county wouldn't benefit as much because the tax would not be collected in Iowa City. I've had, as a manager of business, I've had people say I won't probably shop, I'll buy a tractor somewhere else. I'll go to a county where they don't have that 1%. These are... Farmers are exempt from sales tax but this would be a non-farm situation. It kind of hurts me to hear people say that but they're not going to support... They're going to get the money back in some sort and we try to put it into features that everyone is going to have some type of benefit from. Maybe not directly in this category but maybe in another category. But our case was we had to write a ballot for the rural residents.

Duffy: And we will stay, it's Iowa City's. They started out with this thing and you hit the nail on the head. There has to be something there that people will think is fair and that story back when but if I was to guess if this thing is going to go over today in any of the entities in the rural area, I'd think it's going to be real, real close in some cases. But what would happen Joe, if this was passed in Iowa City, Coralville and the smaller cities and it wouldn't pass in the rural area, then the rural area would really be stuck.

Jordahl: Stuck how?

Duffy: Well if it wouldn't pass in the rural areas and pass every place else it must really cost them.

Lehman: The rural residents wouldn't receive a share of it and we may have to raise everyone's county portion of their taxes up just to get what the county residents want.

Duffy: Yes.

Jordahl: They'd be paying the tax when they went to town but they wouldn't be getting the benefit of it in the remaining... If it passed everywhere else and not in the County I bet you we might put it on the ballot sooner and see if we couldn't get that portion of the payment as long it's being collected.

Duffy: Well we have to really advertise this. People are kind of confused.

Lehman: Yes, they haven't been privileged to the information we had trying to put this package together. Hopefully they will be through media and word of mouth and stuff, so that they're not misinformed.

Gjovig: It comes down to the fact that about 80% of property tax (inaudible) in Iowa City and Coralville.

Duffy: Property tax?

Gjovig: About 80% of the county's property tax money that they take in comes from Iowa City and Coralville. You go check it out and you'll find it.

Duffy: That isn't right.

Jordahl: I think that's a little high. The last I figured was about 65.

Duffy: It's a little high. On your individual taxes, only about between 16 and 18% would go to the county, not in the rural area which will fluctuate. Just depends on what the school's tax is. We used to say 60/40. We had it pretty close but it could be 38, 42 around in there. So your individual property tax, if you lived in the county would be a lot larger than the cities. I think in Iowa City, might be about 47% and then you'd add up the rest of them I think around 60, would that be pretty close? For all of the cities.

Spaziani: He's talking about total county revenues.

Duffy: Yes, that's what I'm talking about.

Jordahl: Yes, of the county's total income for property taxes, about, in the figures that I've seen and reported by the Auditor's Office, 65% would be an approximate figure. Then there's another substantial percentage that comes from the other cities and rural non-ag residential property like the north corridor residents. There you might get to 80 some odd percent I think, if you include all the residential type people in the small towns and the rural non ag residents. So, you know if you look at that sort of non-farm or non-traditional rural portion of it I think you're figuring it probably a lot closer.

Spaziani: Jonathan just one more question. About the point you just brought up, do you have plans to do some public information with the rural residents about the sales tax?

Jordahl: The uh...

Spaziani: Does someone have plans?

Jordahl: The closes thing to plan that has been discussed, and I'm not sure if it was publicly or it was just between another member of the Board and me or a couple of members serially, never of course violating the open meetings law that I might be responsible for writing something to explain where we're at on this. And obviously with the questions that have come up this morning, this probably should be done sooner rather than later.

Spaziani: Yes, you've made some points here that I haven't thought of before and I'm sure many rural residents would not know that if they didn't pass it they would be paying the town and not benefiting on it so that would be a...

Lehman: That's something you might want to put in that, depending on the time of publication, the county advertiser. And not necessarily that we're charged with trying to go pro or con but I think just...

Spaziani: Information.

Lehman: Yes, both ways and let people decide themselves.

Welsh: You could just pass it in the cities and it's not passed in the county then cities that collect would not divide any of it to the county.

Jordahl: Yes.

Duffy: That's right.

Jordahl: They just get more. They get a whole bunch more because our portion of it is pretty substantial.

Welsh: So it would be to the benefit of the cities if it did not pass...

Jordahl: In the county.

Lehman: Yes.

Welsh: Yes.

Jordahl: Yes.

Lehman: Based on our estimates right now I think the county would receive 25% of anything collected if it passed everywhere.

Peters: The other thing too, if it doesn't pass...

Spaziani: There's fairly complex campaign finance rules about what you can finance and what you can't for information about the referendum.

Peters: ... (inaudible).

Jordahl: And the fact that we're paying for the space in the advertiser could be problematic.

Spaziani: It has to be very informational and not one way or the other unless you have a separate campaign committee that's working on (inaudible) but you finance has to be fairly information straight.

Lehman: I think the City was kind of cautioned not to have a group lobbying for one specific item on their ballot otherwise it may turn other people off and vote against it because they don't feel the other ones have been talked about enough, informed enough, and try to vote something down rather than vote for the whole package.

Spaziani: Of course City committees can do anything they want to do to but in terms of what you finance you have to be careful.

Lehman: Efficient, yes.

Peters: Information only.

Spaziani: But information would be very good to get out if you can word it.

Lehman: I'd hate to see it go one way or the other and people talk to you later and say I didn't realize that until after... And you hope people are interested enough that, it's going to directly effect them in some manner, that they do take the time and interest in it to become informed.

Jordahl: And beyond just what the language says, what other... if it doesn't pass and the county does pass and the cities, we wouldn't get the money, when could we next put it on the ballot in order to grab that money? I'm not sure what the answer to that question is but that's the kind of a question that would be good to answer anyway.

Lehman: Carol had some input.

Peters: Unless the law has changed, if you do want to put it back on the ballot, there is a time (inaudible). You have to go back to the largest entity to request them to put it back.

Jordahl: Oh and ask them.

Peters: And if you are...

Jordahl: Can we please have a couple of million bucks Iowa City?

Peters: I don't know if Iowa City and Coralville would...

Jordahl: How would they feel about that. Yes. Hmmm.

Peters: That's what (inaudible) had indicated at one of the meetings we've had. She's been out of the office and I've been unable to...

Jordahl: Yes, I've tried to contact her too.

Peters: ...reach her to get clarification on a couple of points that I had thought of or that the Board has thought of so. But in May that's the way we'll all (inaudible).

Duffy: Well there's another point, I think somebody... quite a few people are kind of confused between the County and the City and they see all these things like Iowa City and Carlyle are going to spend their dollars. Solon is going to ask for one cent sales tax. And living out in the rural area they're going to say oh boy I'm not going to be for this because they don't understand just the structure. So we have some work to do. You're pretty good at this Jonathan.

Jordahl: All I need now is some time to sit and type and think, huh?

Duffy: Yes.

Jordahl: I'll just give up reading my mail. Something's got to go.

Welsh: 2 quick items. Have you all prepared the list of the issues that you've addressed to your legislators? Has that list been prepared?

Jordahl: No.

Welsh: I guess my hope would be that this could be prepared and step 2, legislators reminded of such and requesting that they monthly write you with an update as to the progress of those legislative issues. The second item is, do you now have a listing of all the requests for new personnel in the (inaudible) and if so how does one get a list of that stuff.

Jordahl: Now we asked Deana to compile that for the last budget meeting that we had where we went through and looked at personnel requests and it's a fairly complex list in that what we have are, by department, budget requests at certain percentage increase levels and they're prioritized that way. And you'll have a person requested at one level and then it implies an expensive for a computer for example in another budget lines. So rather than pull it out of requests for departmental increases where most of the departmental increases are for personnel, we just have a multi-page document that is probably about 13 pages that comprises the departmental requests that include personnel lines that we could copy for you. It seems like almost duplicating that information. So the information is available if you want it, we don't have a separate list.

Welsh: Because it seems to me whether or not there in base budget, an increase there of 1% increase, you really need to look at all of them and try to prioritize those percentages. Personnel has a way of becoming a fixed expenditure it's not a...

Lehman: That's the thing we have to look at, is not to give... Every department wants one employee. Well, we may decide that well, this department definitely needs one and this one doesn't and the technology department, if they do need an employee, well they need equipment to go with them and stuff. So we're really going to have to sort and dissect when we get to this budget.

Welsh: At the present time it's a 13 page document? (inaudible)

Jordahl: It's something like that. Yes. It's not 13 pages of fine print though, there's a lot of white space. So it's fairly easy to read really.

Welsh: It identifies all the new personnel?

Jordahl: Uh-uh.

Welsh: Whether it's in base budget or 1% or 2%?

Jordahl: Yes, the new personnel in the base budget, there is very little of that. I think the Conservation Department had one that they were going to hire from their existing budget that was new and that's raised some discussion about the relationship between capital budgets and general departmental operating budget and that needs to be addressed promptly. Mostly they're in the new requests.

Duffy: Getting back to the sales tax. There's another thing we should do that... There's quite a few items that are exempt from this one cent sales tax.

Jordahl: Yes.

Duffy: And we should really zero in on that. Automobiles I think is one. I talked with somebody over the weekend, I'm getting a new automobile and if this goes over and I have to pay another one cent sales tax.

Lehman: Yes, that's nothing to be... For the general route, it's pretty much anything you pay the 5% sales tax on now. It pretty well follows, but there are a few exceptions so that's something we need to make sure that the public's aware of.

Jordahl: If you have thoughts and things that should be in something that I write, I'd appreciate it if you'd sketch that out. If it duplicates each other, fine I'd just subtract them and we'd just come up with one set of things we want to say.

Welsh: Coming back to the legislative issues. Is that going to be done, to make a list of those? Is there minutes kept?

Jordahl: There are certainly minutes of the meeting with the elected officials and department heads with legislators, aren't there Carol?

Peters: Yes.

Jordahl: And so it...

Welsh: Is that on the internet?

Jordahl: Is than on internet...

Peters: I haven't seen the minutes yet Reverend Welsh, but I know that minutes were taken. I was not here that day or that afternoon. I do have the materials that were provided from the department heads to the area legislators. And I'd be more than glad to make copies of those for you or perhaps you'd already got them when you were here, I'm not sure.

Jordahl: But there were other things that were mentioned verbally that were not in written form and those would need to be culled from the minutes.

Peters: I have not seen the minutes yet, so no, a packet has not been put together.

Duffy: But we do have a flyer right today floating around of legislative issues. We get that every, at least once a month or once every 2 weeks.

Jordahl: The news?

Duffy: Yes, it's kind of a news, what's going on.

Jordahl: Yes, that's... He's talking more from a lobbying point of view, what are the issues we are raising to them? You raised that point before, it's an important point, I think it's an excellent thing to do. We get the minutes in verbatim form usually from informal meetings like that. It's a bit of a lag time because it takes a while for the staff at the Auditor's Office to sit down and type that stuff up. I don't know where they're at in the process with that particular meeting. So I'll have to contact the Auditor's Office about that. Normally then those things are posted by the Auditor's Office on the world wide web I believe so if they're done they should be up but they may well not be done. Do you happen to know that? You're new here.

Recording Secretary Todd Schanbacher: I'm not sure off-hand for that particular meeting. I can check.

Jordahl: So, any other discussion? If not we'll stand adjourned.

Recessed at 10:10 a.m.; reconvened at 1:35 p.m. as a meeting with Elected Officials.

(Continued)