MINUTES OF THE INFORMAL MEETING OF THE JOHNSON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS:
FEBRUARY 23 AND 25, 1999
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Chairperson Jordahl called the Johnson County Board of Supervisors to order in the Johnson County Administration Building at 9:03 a.m. Members present were: Charles Duffy, Jonathan Jordahl, Mike Lehman, Sally Stutsman, and Carol Thompson.
Jordahl: Call to order the informal meeting of the Johnson County Board of Supervisors for Tuesday, the 23rd of February, 1999. Good morning everybody. Snow isn't that deep, we're all here, at least those of us who are here. The second item on the agenda is the review of the formal minutes for the canvas of votes for the special election of February 16th and the formal minutes of February 18th. Are there any comments or changes people would like to make?
SENIOR CENTER COORDINATOR LINDA KOPPING: SENIOR CENTER SPACE ISSUES
Jordahl: If not, we'll move onto the third item on the agenda, happening in quick succession, Linda Kopping from the Senior Center. She's here to discuss Senior Center space issues. Good morning, Linda.
Senior Center Coordinator Linda Kopping: Good morning.
Jordahl: Would you like to step up to the microphone?
Kopping: I want to thank you for the opportunity to be here. I called and made arrangements for us to be on the agenda because the Senior Center Commission wanted to discuss some of the space issues we're dealing with. So if I could, I'd just like to turn this over to the chair of the Senior Center Commission, Terry Miller.
Senior Center Commission Chair Terry Miller: Good morning.
Jordahl: Let's move that microphone over so you can sit straight.
Miller: OK. I'm Terry Miller and I'm here on behalf of the Senior Center Commission this morning. First thing I would like to do is to express our gratitude to the Board of Supervisors for the support that you've given us in the past, both in a financial way and in support of the policies and procedures of the Senior Center. Certainly it is a boon to the seniors of Johnson County to have a center like the one that is available to them in downtown Iowa City and the Commission and the participants of the Center express their appreciation to the Board of Supervisors for your support in this establishment. We're here today to discuss with you the space issues of the Senior Center and to formally request your support for the Commission's request for 8,000 square feet of space and the proposed parking facility on Iowa Avenue. As you are aware, I'm sure, the current facility that we are in is full to capacity. There are a lot of crowding issues in the space at this time. One of the problems that we are consistently dealing with is the sharing of certain spaces which require a lot of set up to use. This happens a lot in the Assembly Room, as it's set up for Senior Dining and if there are additional programs there in the afternoon, it requires a lot of set up. That space is also used for the New Horizons Band on an extensive basis and tearing up and setting down this particular space takes a lot of time and energy from the staff at the Senior Center. There isn't a very large staff so any kind of procedure that takes a lot time and energy from the staff is certainly something that concerns us and we'd like to take a closer look at. Several of the agencies at the Senior Center are also having overcrowded conditions. Elderly Services, for example, is severely overcrowded. There is a lot of business that takes place in that agency space and with the people that come in all the time to use the services and the staff that is there on a full time basis, they have difficulty efficiently and effectively performing the work that they'd like to be able to do there. I think that is certainly an area that could use more space at the Center. There are other areas of growth in Senior Center programming, in the computer area and exercise facilities, that receive a lot of use from participants at the Center and are areas in which we'd like to be able to expand. In addition to that, Senior Dining, which is probably the one that your most familiar with, has made many requests over the course of the last several months for additional space. In spite of the staff and the Commission and City architects, planners and consultants looking at the space, we've been unable to locate additional area in which to move some of the Senior Dining. We've looked at a lot of different options for expansion. At one time, we looked at taking the mezzanine straight across, which would go straight across the Assembly Room. The problem that this then creates is that our programming with the band and other musical types of programming... they need a high ceiling. So if we brought the ceiling down, this would be a detriment to that room. So it's not an option that we are really looking at, at this time. We looked at being able to expand the building upwards, but the foundation will not allow for upward expansion. We've had the City Architect come in and take a look at the space use of the building and whether we would be able to add on to the building. Unfortunately, adding onto the building... the cost benefit of that does not allow for that option. There would be very little space which would be gained and the cost of it would be quite extensive. That seemed not to be an option as well. To the Commission, it looks at though the best option for expansion is into the parking facility that's proposed on Iowa Avenue. There is really no other space surrounding the Senior Center where they could expand and it seems as though this opportunity is one that presents itself now. It will not present itself in the future. It will be gone. We feel that it is very important that the Senior Center make a request for that space at this time, not only to alleviate the crowded conditions that we currently have, but to allow us to be able continue to bring in the full participation of the seniors in the county. We have looked at another option of moving the Senior Center out of downtown into a different facility. We felt that the cost of either renovating a different building or building a new building would be quite extensive, perhaps prohibitive. We like the Senior Center downtown, being next to Ecumenical Towers is marvelous. We like being on the busline. We feel that it is an asset to downtown Iowa City to have the Senior Center there. As a centrally located facility, that is a good space for it. Certainly one of the problems that we have consistently had over the years at the Senior Center in that space is parking. Our hope is that with the new parking facility being built that that problem will be alleviated. So whereas in the past, that would have been a reason to move to a different location. Currently, if that problem is taken care of, we feel that it would be better for the Senior Center to expand in the location where it currently is. Certainly, the Commission understands that this is not a quick decision that you'll be able to make. It's a far reaching decision. It's one that will require some cost input and some financial support from the County. Today, we are here to request an endorsement that you support our request for space and that you participate with us in a committee to look at the financial concerns and address how these things might be dealt with. We have brought some reports for you to look at, which outline a lot of the details of what we're talking about today and also, some tentative floor plans that we have looked at. So if you would like to ask some questions, have some discussion around this this morning, that would be great. We would invite you to get back with us as well so we can talk about the specific aspects of the funding for this facility.
Jordahl: Carol, you read faster than anyone else, perhaps if you would...
Thompson: I'm still only on page 1.
Jordahl: Only on page 1... When you finish it let me know. Carol... she's really fast. I don't know if we're going to be able to get through this to the point where we can satisfactorily address the questions this morning.
Miller: Right.
Jordahl: But if the Members of the Board have questions they'd like to raise they may find represented here, go right ahead.
Stutsman: I'm interested in what you have envisioned for the Senior Dining program as far as space with this proposal, without me looking at...
Miller: I'm going to turn the discussion over to...
Commission Member Jay Honahan: Hi, I'm Jay Honahan.
Stutsman: Oh hi, Jay.
Honahan: I am a member of the Commission also and I've got some of the information that you might want to look at and I'll try to respond to any questions. In the pamphlet that I gave you... I'd kind of like to start with the ramp. Basically, as Terry has said, we can't go east, west, or south with that building or up so the only direction we can go is north and that's in the ramp. We have presented generally the same thing we're presenting to you this morning to the Iowa City Council. In fact we've had 2 different sessions with the Council. Towards the back of your material is a plaque, if you want to call it that. This is something that we worked up. I must emphasize that it's very tentative and that a lawyer drew this, not an architect, so it's not exactly to scale but it is something that we think is a possibility if we have... it's approximately 7,700 square feet because of the clock tower and the elevator shafts and the stairs. As you can see in that one, I hope everyone has found it, we've got a meeting room that we're proposing. We are proposing to move the Visiting Nurses Association over into the ramp. We are proposing to move the AARP office, the Senior Center TV, the computer room and craft room. Again, this is just an example. This is not anything that we're saying this is what we're going to do but this is kind of to give you and the City Council an idea some of the things we might be able to do if we get this space. That's the only purpose of it. By doing this, in addition to adding a meeting room, we increase the space of all the people that we have proposed to move to the ramp. We have increased their space. They've all got more space. Of course, everyone is asking for more space. The Senior Dining wants space but so does every other agency that we have in the building. They all want more space and we're having a hard time finding space for them. In order to give you an idea what transpires, now I'd like to jump to this set, which is the floor plan of the present building. I'll show you, again this is all very tentative, but it's some of the things that we might be able to work with. If you will look at the ground floor, what we're thinking about, since Senior Dining is asking for more space for storage and that... if you look at GO6, that presently is where the ceramics are. We're talking about expanding that by giving that to Senior Dining because we're tentatively thinking of moving ceramics over into the ramp.
Stutsman: Uh-huh.
Honahan: This would add space for Senior Dining. You look at GO2 there, that is presently the AARP office, which we're talking about moving to the ramp, as a possibility, and then the GO2 room could be an office for Senior Dining, which is one of the things Senior Dining has requested, I understand. The VNA was in the area of GO3 and they would be... as we tentatively proposed to move them over to the ramp and then we would add showers, dressing rooms and things like that for the exercise room and that. Going to the main floor, there would be no changes on the main floor. We proposed no changes in our tentative thoughts. There are no changes on the mezzanine. But when we get to the second floor, you will notice... I'll start with the Elderly Services Agency is in 208 and they're extremely crowded. They have not enough space for what they've got right now.
Jordahl: One second, Mr. Honahan. Excuse me.
Honahan: Yes.
Jordahl: If we could back up to the main floor, you talked about Senior Dining offices being on the ground floor where AARP is now.
Honahan: That's just a possibility. They're asking for an office.
Jordahl: What would happen to the Senior Dining offices now on the main floor?
Honahan: Whatever they would want to use it for.
Jordahl: But that would remain space they could... storage or something.
Honahan: Yes, we're not taking anything away...
Jordahl: Good.
Honahan:...except the people, and again, we're just talking about... these are ideas. There's nothing that says this is absolute. We'd have to work with architects and we'd also have to be concerned with financing. But we've felt that in order to present this in a reasonable fashion, we have to have some kind of idea for people to look at.
Jordahl: Go ahead.
Honahan: That's what we've done here. Going to the second floor, 209 is where the TV is now. That would be added to the Elderly Services Agency and that could be done... it's almost automatic. We just move them over and they get the additional space. Then we would have a classroom, 201, that's presently the computer room that we were thinking of moving and that would add a classroom. We're adding a considerable... By getting the 7,700 square feet, we are expanding most of the agencies' areas, in one place or the other. That is our goal because, as Terry has already stated, everybody in that building is crowded. Everybody in that building wants more space. All of this is typical of all agencies, I would imagine. At the same time, we recognize that they need more space. The ramp is the only place we can get it. When the Mayor asked me at one of the meetings why we wanted the whole 8,000 square feet, I said because it's there. We want it. We can use it. We wouldn't waste a bit of that space, if we obtained it. It would be to the advantage of all the agencies and, of course we think, the City and the County, if we can get that ramp space. Of course, we'd like your endorsement of that. We have some estimates only of the cost of this. That's always a significant factor. We recognize this. Steve Atkins and Eleanor Dilkes kind of put together something. They estimate that this is going to cost $1,150,000, including the sky walk. If you go back to that original sketch that I showed you, we're proposing a skywalk from the second floor of the ramp. Incidentally, the Commission has asked for the sky walk no matter what. If we don't get the 8,000 square feet, we still want the sky walk from the ramp into the Senior Center. Then what we're thinking of, I don't know if you're familiar with the University Hospitals, where they have their skywalk into that new building... I don't even know what building it's called, although I've been there and put the handicap spaces in that area so they can just come right through the skywalk. As I said, that the Commission has asked the Council to put in no matter what. We want that even if we don't get the 8,000 square feet, which there was some suggestion by the Council that maybe we'd only get half. I told them well, if that's all we could get, I'd take that, but I'm still going to try to get the whole thing. That's what the Commission would like. Another significant factor in all of this is the cost for the building itself, not the ramp, would be insignificant because the only thing we're really doing is adding the showers in the back. Everything else is already there so we're not going to spend a lot of money in the Center itself with this kind of proposal. We understand that money is hard to come by for anybody so we tried with these ideas to try to at least keep it down as much as we could, under the circumstances. We're already discussing starting a fundraising drive to help but we know that no fundraising drive that we could have could raise $1,000,000. We doubt it but we are trying. We're going to try to do some of that ourselves. The Commission and the Council of Elders have committed. I made this same report to them. I guess other than that, we're open for any questions that we know the answers to.
Jordahl: Other questions...
Honahan: We won't do.
Stutsman: When you're talking about finances, what are you talking about? Are you asking the County to participate in the building of this?
Honahan: If possible, yes. We would like the County and the City to jointly do this in any way they can. Yes.
Jordahl: You're talking about $1,000,000 in a fundraising campaign, that's going to cost significantly more than $1,000,000 to build the ramp.
Honahan: No, the whole ramp thing is $1,000,000. That's this portion. I'm sorry if I confused you. That's the interior. The City Manager estimates, only an estimate at this time, that taking the insulation and interior walls and the things like that for the 8,000 square feet would cost about $1,000,000.
Jordahl: OK. The ramp is another question. This is just making this part habitable.
Honahan: That's right. That's right. Then the skywalk the estimated at $150,000.
Thompson: They indicated that they were going to have tenants in that space in the ramp? Does this include the lost revenue that they would have from that?
Honahan: They were considering 22,000 square feet, before we got into the act, for retail space. There would be approximately 6,000 of that... It would be at the corner of Iowa Avenue and Gilbert. There'd be 8,000 square feet on what the architect calls the third floor because there's a mezzanine involved on the second floor, what I call the second floor. Then there's 8,000 square feet on the first floor. The Cottage wants 4,000 of that on the first floor and they're negotiating with a Richard Patchall in regard to the Harmon Building. He has indicated an interest in the 4,000 feet that the Cottage doesn't take on the first floor. He has indicated an interest in the 8,000 feet that we want. It is our position that we understand dollars and cents but there is plenty of retail space in downtown Iowa City right now (inaudible). In fact you can go approximately a block and a half, it's where I walk from my office to the Senior Center, and Jim Clark is trying to rent 9,000 square feet in that new building across from the church. Clark has some additional space up in the building across from the Holiday Inn parking ramp. There is additional retail space, I don't know what Seiferts is doing or what's going to happen to that space, but I understand Land's End is on it's way out. It's our position that there's no great demand for retail space, Ms. Thompson, and that we feel that even if there were, that the Senior Center is a bigger priority. We believe very strongly... Now Terry mentioned, and this did come up when I talked to the Mayor one time, about moving the building. But we think it is important, if at all possible, and we think the ramp gives us a good possibility, to keep the Senior Center downtown. It's a very viable downtown and it also adds to the viability to the whole downtown, in our opinion. Particularly with the parking ramp, it cuts out one of the bad problems that the seniors have and the volunteers have. That's another complaint of Senior Dining is there's no space for their volunteers. Well, we have a 5 and 1/2 story ramp with 240,000 square feet. I don't know how many parking spaces that is, but that will produce a lot of parking. Excuse me?
Miller: To answer the question you had about the cost of the facility, I believe that $1,000,000 is the cost of the facility, not of the lost revenues.
Thompson: OK.
Jordahl: But the facility, again we're talking about, is sort of a finished space.
Honahan: Right.
Miller: That's right.
Honahan: OK. Add one little point on that, that Terry reminded me of, they're trying to sell the space that is the retail space. They're talking about making kind of like a condominium complex, a condominium office complex. That again is just a tentative thing that they're doing, but that's what they're talking about, that the Cottage and Mr. Patchall, or whoever he represents, if he represents people, would own the space that they get in that ramp.
Jordahl: I wonder has anyone from the business community downtown raised a question of competition for renting space for businesses.
Honahan: That's crossed my mind a time or 2 but I haven't raised that with the City Council.
Jordahl: If I owned rental space downtown...
Honahan: I'd be upset.
Jordahl: I'd ask that question. Sure. Sure. That is a consideration.
Stutsman: If I ran a health club, I think I'd be raising some questions too about an exercise room and that.
Jordahl: Particularly a downtown health club.
Stutsman: Yes.
Miller: One of the things about the exercise facility for seniors is that it's not the same as a health club that would be commercially available. Some of the equipment that we buy is very specialized towards seniors, (inaudible) bikes and that sort of thing...
Jordahl: Uh-huh.
Miller: ...that are made specifically for the senior population and not for the population at large.
Jordahl: Good point. Well, Carol, as I said, reads fast, formulates questions perhaps even faster. Does anybody else...
Stutsman: I think we all can do the same thing.
Jordahl: ...want to take a shot at a question here?
Duffy: Yes, Ecumenical Towers, how do they feel about this?
Honahan: Some of those people are on some of the councils in the building and everybody's in favor.
Miller: They certainly will get some of the effect and benefit of the larger facilities and probably to have the skywalk coming across to the Senior Center will be a benefit to them as well.
Duffy: Their parking. I hear they might have a priority for their (inaudible).
Miller: Their parking is established by the State so that they will continue to have the parking that they currently have available to them. So they'll be great as far as parking goes.
Duffy: OK. Thank you.
Stutsman: I want to get back to these finances.
Miller: Sure.
Stutsman: If we agreed to the letter of support and I certainly don't have a problem doing that, does this mean too that we're agreeing to financially support this project too? Is that what you're asking for?
Miller: Yes. That is what we're asking for.
Stutsman: I don't think we, in the past have done... Carol, am I correct? In doing a lot with providing capital funds for a project... I know we haven't with the Library and the current Senior Center. We've done operating budgets.
Peters: The only one that I'm fully aware of is when this Senior Center first started, the County did give them $50,000 to help towards remodeling. (Inaudible).
Stutsman: How was that amount arrived at?
Peters: I don't remember. I'd have to go back and do some research.
Stutsman: That's what I need to know too. What kind of dollars are we talking about?
Peters: That was over and above what we had agreed to.
Stutsman: As far as the contract with the Senior Center?
Peters: Yes.
Stutsman: Yes.
Honahan: That wasn't 20% of the cost of remodeling, was it?
Peters: I'd have to do some research.
Jordahl: It would be... It's probably a good place to start looking for a figure, wouldn't it?
Honahan: Yes. Yes. There has been this historical 20%. It was in the 28E Agreement.
Jordahl: Uh-huh.
Peters: I really don't think it was, but it could be.
Stutsman: The reason I ask that is, I'm sure you're aware, that the County has lots of space needs that we're trying to address and I know that we've talked about the Senior Center and the space concerns there. But as far as that being one of our top priorities as far as addressing with money, it hasn't been that. We're going to have to think about that and how we want to address that.
Honahan: Well we didn't expect you to give us an open purse today.
Stutsman: Yes. I don't want to mislead people to say we'll give an open check. I think we have to be realistic about what we can afford.
Honahan: I think this is, as we mentioned... We're looking into getting a fundraising person to help raise funds, similar to what they did with the gymnasium at Mercer Park.
Stutsman: Uh-huh.
Honahan: We're figuring this is sort of a cooperative measure, the public sector, the private sector, the City Council and the Board. We think it benefits everybody and we would hope that everybody would be contributing. We're going to do our best to get there.
Stutsman: When do you need this letter of support?
Honahan: We could take it this morning.
Stutsman: I bet you would. When do you plan to present to the City Council?
Honahan: We are in continuing efforts with the City Council. We've had 2 meetings with them already. We just came down in a body and jumped up at the public discussion at one meeting and then we've had a full hour with the City Council at one of their informal budget sessions. We're continuing to work with them. I've been doing some groundwork, financing and trying to get information to assist the City and you people at what we can do. I've been talking to (inaudible) attorneys. I even said the City can't... they have to have an election, if they're going to go over 700,000 in GO bonds. I told them I would have no problem with an election for $1,000,000 in GO's if that's where we had to go because I think it would carry.
Stutsman: Uh-huh.
Honahan: You're going to see us some more.
Stutsman: Uh-huh.
Honahan: So is the City Council. We're not going to give up on this because we think it's critical.
Stutsman: Uh-huh.
Honahan: There's no place to go, except this ramp and the timing of it is beautiful, as far as we're concerned. Like I said, we want the whole 8,000, or 7,700 square feet, because we can use every bit of it.
Jordahl: Terry, you were going to say something.
Miller: Yes, just that I think it's important that we receive the endorsement of the County as soon as possible because of the planning that is already taking place and it's critical that some of these issues are resolved as the floor plans for the ramp become established. To be able to put all of the pieces together, I think it's going to be important to start to put some of the pieces into place so that we can get the long term planning done. We would appreciate your endorsement as soon as possible.
Jordahl: How specific do you wish this endorsement to be? You have a very specific plan before us this morning. Are you asking for us to endorse this plan or the 8,000 square feet number?
Miller: The 8,000 square feet number and the financial concerns that are related to that.
Jordahl: The financial concerns are the big concern. Under the current 28E Agreement, our funding extends only to the operational expenses of the space and we did not purchase the space along with the City...
Miller: Right.
Jordahl: ...as I recall. Anybody with greater memory than I on this, feel free to jump in and correct me.
Miller: That's how I understand it as well.
Reverend Bob Welsh: The 28E Agreement obligates the County to capital expenses.
Jordahl: Does it?
Welsh: There would be many ways of doing the million dollars. There's the bond issue, amortization. Other capital expenditures have been amortized over a period of years and paid back. So it's been done under capital expenditures and that has been paid back out of the Senior Center budget over a period of years. The County has paid 20% of those capital expenditures. I see Linda...
Jordahl: Linda, do you have that?
Kopping: Yes. I do.
Jordahl: Would you read the language, please?
Kopping: I can't find the language. I'm just saying that...
Jordahl: Sound right?
Kopping: That's exactly right, what he's saying about incorporating loan payments into the operational budget so that they are paid off...
Miller: Over a period of years.
Kopping: Yes, over a period of years.
Welsh: Let me say another thing, if I could.
Stutsman: What did you say, Carol?
Peters: When the roof had to be redone at the Senior Center, there were other...
Kopping: (Inaudible) revenues, loans.
Peters: That's the way it looks...
Honahan: I have the agreement in front of me. It says Johnson County agrees to pay 20% of the net budget of the operational costs of the Senior Center. This figure is to be arrived at after deducting any funding or operational costs by sources other than Iowa City. Operational costs shall include personnel, commodities, services, charges and capital outlay necessary to operate the facility.
Jordahl: Capital outlay necessary to operate though might include repairing the air conditioner as opposed to building a parking ramp. I'm not sure it's clear...
Honahan: Sure, I would agree. I'm not sure it covers the ramp but...
Stutsman: Yes.
Honahan: I was trying to respond. There was some capital.
Jordahl: I mean there's capital expenditure and capital projects. The ramp is a capital project.
Stutsman: I think maybe we need to get that clarified from Pat White, what's included in that or if we want to use that as a guide to make a...
Jordahl: Which is an excellent segue because as you know, I visited the Senior Center Commission last week, as also I reported to the Board. There was a meeting 2 weeks ago where Carol and I and Ernie Lehman and Steve Atkins and Linda and Mike Foster, and Bob Welsh and Pat White, and all kinds of people met to discuss the question of space needs for the Senior Dining program. I'm very heartened in that context by the way you see that extra space for the Senior Center... that's part of this presentation this morning. The outcome of that meeting was basically that we were in agreement between the various bodies, first of all between the City and the County, at least between Ernie, Steve and Carol and myself, that there was a degree of greater centrality perhaps to the idea of eating in the Senior Center than to some activities that might be somewhat more peripheral. But the basic kernel of the agreement was that we should look at the 28E Agreement, especially in the context of building the ramp. A lot of those questions will be addressed there so I'm thinking about bringing Pat in, the question of financing and so forth... We're going to begin a series of meetings. I think we're going to delegate a committee to do that. These concerns will be addressed then. In terms of the 8,000 square feet, I don't know, is the Board supportive of sending a letter agreeing with the idea that the Senior Center should have that space?
Stutsman: Yes, I have no problem...
Lehman: I think we're all in agreement that space is needed. I think you've done a great job of not asking for anything out of line. You're not putting a lot of money into the older building. I don't see any frills that you're asking for. I don't think we have a problem with the space as required, it's just the funding and how we're going to go about getting it.
Honahan: That's what everybody says.
Jordahl: See, see, we're right under the majority. Yes, Bob?
Welsh: Jonathan, as a Member of the Commission, I have a problem sometimes with the prioritization of space and considering Senior Dining "another agency." But in terms of their request, which is before you, in relation to being supportive of the 7,700 square feet, I would whole heartedly endorse that. Let me remind you there was discussion concerning Adult Day Care. There was discussion concerning the fact that there is only so much space within those walls. Pat White said comedically you should not just think it terms of this space. You need to think about other operative space. As Pat has told you on occasions, this is an opportunity that comes only every... It's not going to come again for another 50 years. I guess the kind of letter that I would hope you would write at this time would be to support the request for additional 7,700 square feet in the parking ramp for expansion of the Senior Center facilities and that you would look into the ways in which you could assist financially.
Jordahl: OK, that's a good way to put it. We'll look into it.
Welsh: (Inaudible) or a formula that's saying that you're open to that. But I think there's various methods that can be worked out that's contracted to, this coming up in my mind, $250,000.
Jordahl: OK. Well I think we have spent considerable time on this topic this morning, in view of the other items that we have on the agenda. There is a related item on first, under business from the Board of Supervisors, discussion action needed regarding a Committee to review the Senior Center 28E Agreement, where we will discuss recommendations for the form of a committee. I don't think that I want to get into that right now because we do have people who've been waiting to make other presentations.
Honahan: You realize the Commission endorsed that committee.
Jordahl: Yes. Yes, the formulation of that. Thank you. Charlie, (inaudible).
Duffy: Again, I thank the Senior Center Commission for being on the agenda this morning. I've been a Supervisor for 10 years and I've seen some pretty bad days that they would report at their monthly meetings. I think that's just great. A Senior Center is a very nice place, a lot of activity going on. I've heard it's the best one in Iowa. Several of them have said what do you mean, Iowa? In the United States. I haven't visited all of them but it's just a great place. We can work out something.
Miller: Thank you.
Duffy: Thanks for your work.
Jordahl: Yes, thanks for your work on this. I realize a lot of people are contending for the spaces. Thank you very much for bringing us up to speed.
Miller: Thank you for your time.
Stutsman: Thanks.
Jordahl: Carol, will you help me draft a letter to get this going here?
Duffy: Linda too.