Jordahl: Minutes received from the Regional Trails and bicycling committee. Board of Social Welfare, Mental Health/Developmental Disabilities Planning Council and the Heritage Area Task Force on Aging. Where do we keep those on file for people if they're interested Carol?

Peters: In the appropriate files. If anybody comes in and asks to see the minutes from the Heritage Agency on Aging Task Force and we would be glad to get them for them.

Jordahl: So you or Jo or Deana could get those for them.

Peters: First of all what we do when they come in is they're put on the agenda, but at that same time they're also circulated. So it takes a little while for us to get them back. It depends on how quickly they go through the 5 Supervisors and then we get them back we put them in the file. We do not keep them for years on end however. We have about the last 4 years.

Jordahl: That's probably good enough. Reports. Mike what do you got?

Lehman: I attended that fringe area agreement with Coralville last night. The draft was approved. The amendment that they referred (inaudible) referred to the '79 land plan. I thought they might correct that to the '98 plan. There wasn't a whole lot of discussion. The City of Coralville explained some of their priorities and different locations and stuff, what they saw. Those pressing needs. Two members of the public I believe that had some questions about North Dubuque Street, addressing that area out there. They seemed pretty well satisfied. It puts the pressure on us to work with the City of Coralville along with their land plan. It was a pretty non-controversial meeting but interesting.

Jordahl: I assume attendance was held down somewhat by the howling blizzard that was proceeding outside.

Lehman: Yes. There were quite a few calls and they were really trying to weigh the fact, whether it was worthy to put it on if there was a lot of citizen input, that people weren't going to be able to make it. They had a pretty representative... With Rick and R.J. and I'm trying to think of the individual from the City of Coralville, their City Planner.

Stutsman: Dan Holderness.

Lehman: No.

Jordahl: Rich Russell.

Lehman: Rich Russell. He went through the whole fringe area and stuff that they were (inaudible) address. Any problems they thought they might have and some of the questions from the audience pertaining to those, and he was able to answer to their satisfaction. Kind of address the quarry out there where they probably will remain in the County. They have no real benefit in asking for annexation at this time. And that also concerned the 80/20 roll about some of the other housing developments around there. They were concerned about maybe being drafted in. But they didn't care to by the 80/20 and it didn't sound like that was going to be an immediate problem since the quarry would dictate a lot of that area. They also explained the Coralville annexing to the edge of Dubuque Street. They said that was a federal highway so the legal description, they're basically not able to annex half of Dubuque Street in. My question was what happens if Iowa City annexes to the edge of the other, then we have a county owned road proceeding through miszoned ground on each side. And we looked at suggestions of using ISTEA to improve that road when that came about if we need it.

Jordahl: I've had some conversations about that issue with both Coralville and with Mike Gardner. We're going to have to have some further conversations about that. It was a federal highway but then it reverted to County ownership and so the question of whether they can annex that ground or not is not. I didn't get the same sense from talking with Coralville of what you're recounting now. I think we need to have, as part of the fringe area agreement we have this notion that we're going to go forward with a joint roads planning in the area and I think that's where the maintenance of the road by the quarry and the annexation Dubuque Street and all these things are going to have to get dealt with.

Lehman: Well they made it sound... Let me follow up on that, an abstract like there was not a legal description from the edge of the road to the middle of the road for them to refer to annex it in. It was no longer with the property they were annexing in like it would be with normal farmground, your abstract is measured to the center of the road. This acted like it had been it had been taken off there, like they were going to ignore it because it wasn't there. Or they didn't know how to proceed I think is what there.

Jordahl: Well they had the legal description. The request for annexation came from the property owner and the property owner didn't own to the middle of the road so they just acted on the request.

Lehman: Right.

Jordahl: But it's a larger a policy question as to how to deal with those roads throughout the fringe area and I think that's... They're aware of that and we are so there's going to be another stage of planning where that gets handled. But there's still some open questions there too about the access onto Dubuque Street at that point. I wished I'd been able to make it to that meeting. I kind of assumed it was not going to be held given the weather.

Stutsman: Same here Jonathan. I just kept looking for a cancellation.

Lehman: It was about a 45 minute discussion. And it was pretty much just a map on the wall they kind of referred to. And Rich Russell kind of described, he went around the boundary of where it was presently and how they thought it would proceed in the future and things they wanted to see happen there. And some of the discussion they've had with the City of North Liberty of where some of those... It may not be an exact straight line between North Liberty and Coralville due to the topography because of wastewater. So they may have to make some adjustments there as annexations takes place.

Jordahl: Just as Iowa City and Coralville have on the southwest.

Lehman: Yes, yes. It would create an undo cost of treating wastewater and have to do lift stations just to maintain property in a certain jurisdiction. That was presented. Everyone was in agreement with that.

Stutsman: So what's the next step? Does it come to us?

Lehman: I think it goes back to the city of Coralville now I believe or the Planning and Zoning of Coralville. I'm not sure. I think it's...

Jordahl: I bet you this is our Planning and Zoning. I wish Rick were here. I'm not sure if it comes to us from our zoning commission or if it goes back to Coralville.

Lehman: That discussion wasn't... It didn't get brought up either.

Peters: It would be brought back to you because you'll be a signature to the...

Jordahl: It will come back to us I'm sure, but I don't know if it will go back to Coralville first before it goes backs to us or not. And where the balls bouncing here.

Peters: (Inaudible).

Lehman: If one body makes a change then it has to revert back through for approval. There was a lot of language that had been changed from the original discussion of the draft back in, I believe it was November, December. But they left the changes in but crossed them out so people could refer to them and find out why the changes were made. A lot of it is wordy.

Jordahl: I'd be very interested in seeing it if you've copy of that after the meeting. Do you have anything else to report on?

Lehman: That's all.

Jordahl: Sally?

Stutsman: My turn?

Stutsman: Friday I went to Des Moines to participate in a Department of Human Services ISAC, Iowa State Association of Counties, DHS Cabinet meeting. It's a meeting that's held probably every couple of months and it's representatives from Board of Supervisors through ISAC that meet with representatives from the Department of Human Services. And I always enjoy these meetings, they're very informal. You get to see Chuck Palmer and the name escapes me, whose the interim director for Harold (inaudible)? He's director of Woodward. Do you know who that is Carol? Mike...

Thompson: Davis.

Stutsman: Davis. OK. He was there. And usually Don Herman is there. He wasn't there this time. But it's an opportunity for supervisors to sit down with representatives from the department of human services and just talk about issues that we have in common. And like I said it's very informal. It's a good opportunity to just visit and just have a good discussion. One of the things that was talked about was the empowerment legislation. And we aired again our concerns about that, and according to Chuck Palmer it is here to stay. So that we need to continue to work in that direction. There is legislation that's proposed. And I have a copy of that draft of that bill about some changes with the empowerment legislation. What some of the big changes are is that they're talking about even more coordination with the CPC on the county level. Bringing in persons with disability into the discussion. They're talking about also hiring a governor's appointment to coordinate the whole empowerment zone process so that there's some direction in making that another job at the State level that will coordinate empowerment areas and concerns. Talk about in that bill about setting up consulting teams similar to what's being done with the CPC and the TAC individuals that will act as technical assistance for the local empowerment areas. And there was also talk about allowing counties to have 2% administrative costs in the additional grants that will come down for empowerment areas so that there might be some opportunities to do some local hiring for administrators to work with this empowerment.

Jordahl: Or at least minute taking.

Stutsman: Right. Sending out letters and things. And like I said it's a draft bill. There can be lots of changes yet but at least the legislature is looking at some changes in this whole empowerment legislation.

Welsh: What's the bill number Sally?

Stutsman: It didn't have a bill number Bob. I could make a copy of it. It was submitted by Hubert Houser and I know that this week is the funnel week so I imagine that... I don't know exactly the process when it gets a number and stuff like that but anyway that's what was talked about. Chuck Palmer also talked about appropriations. It looks like there might be lots of cuts. I think he talked about in the budget that was proposed, they were talking about $8.5 million cuts and that doesn't even address the wish list so it looks like there's going to be some cuts. We talked a little about juvenile detention and the whole backup with residential treatment facilities and how that impacts the juveniles. And it sounds like there might be little if no money to go into that system. So we continue to work on that. The other thing that was handed out was the TAC, Technical Assistance Collaboration report on quick fixes or structural reform. And that's an evaluation of Iowa's public mental health system. These were all sent to the CPC's. I did pick up another copy so that we could have one for this office. This was an evaluation of the mental health programs in the state of Iowa and their recommendations. It's got a lot of local statistics in the back that I think might be of interest to us so I'll pass that around for us to look at. Also had a Planning and Service Committee meeting last Thursday. That's the group that meets concerning the managed care plan for the local level. And we just talked basically about some changes in the plan before it comes to the Planning Council. There wasn't a whole lot that was discussed. We have the Planning Council meeting tomorrow and we'll be voting on the proposed changes in plans. County a Day, I was real disappointed that got cancelled yesterday. I think there was a lot of interest in representatives in the County going to Des Moines to visit with our legislators and I think there was a lot of interest by the legislators in having us come. I'm really disappointed with mother nature that she threw us a curve on getting that together but hopefully we can plan for that another time.

Lehman: Can we reschedule?

Stutsman: Well we can either reschedule. It's up to the Board what you want to do. In talking to other representatives from ISAC, it's been very successful. Several of the Supervisors that were at the meeting on Friday had already been up to the legislature and they talked about what a good program it was so it's up to us whether we want to reschedule or not. Carol did so much work on it, I don't know if you want to do it again.

Peters: Oh no, I just think it gave us a good basis to hopefully build on for the next time around and hopefully have a little bit more advanced planning so more people can mark their calendars.

Stutsman: It's such a good opportunity for us to sit and visit with our legislators about the issues that are important to us. And it wasn't just the Supervisors that were going to go up. The Auditor was going to go up, the Recorder, somebody from Information Services, from SEATS, and the Health Department so we have a good group that was planning on going up. If there's any thoughts about...

Jordahl: Well you had said that Monday wasn't a particularly good day because the legislators perhaps would be getting a later start on that day. Although I'm glancing forward to the 22nd after spring break as a logical replacement date perhaps as a reason not to do Monday.

Stutsman: Well maybe we could ask Carol to call ISAC and see what the possibilities are of rescheduling.

Peters: I would be glad to that but actually the late letter that we received from ISAC indicates that they must start late almost every day.

Jordahl: Shocking. I mean...

Stutsman: Well, but they have committee meetings in the morning Jonathan. Just don't make it sound like we're sitting around having coffee.

Jordahl: OK, OK. All right, all right. I'm sure they're working hard.

Peters: Definitely. That's what they would do, they would help set you up with the committee meetings that you would like to attend.

Duffy: Well we're having ISAC meetings next week and whenever I went up there, there was a bus that took whoever wanted to go up to the...

Peters: And that's part of the agenda this time too. I think the benefit of this particular one that Sally was setting up is that you are going to actually be able to sit down with the legislators that represent Johnson County and have a really meaningful discussion about the problems occurring and perhaps some suggestions about how those can be addressed and some really quality time.

Duffy: Could we meet with our legislators here? I thought we did that once a year too.

Peters: We do. That's true.

Jordahl: Well that was one of the things that was asked me. I was telling people about going on. They said why are you just meeting with your legislators there, shouldn't you be meeting with others because you can talk to them here, they live here. And I guess I say well, you know that makes some sense but I guess there's some time was scheduled in the afternoon, after lunch, we would be meeting with other legislators. But I think it's a reasonable question.

Duffy: Well that's a good point. Whenever I run up there I don't know everybody in the state of Iowa but I do know some legislators from other counties and you'd be surprised.

Peters: The background to this is you meet with them before the legislative session to let them know what your concerns are and to give them some possible suggestions of what would alleviate the problems. Excuse me. And this was going to afford you the opportunity to follow up on these concern to see where they are. Getting the information first hand from those in the know.

Stutsman: I think there is something different about going up to the legislature and meeting with them on their ground. We can talk to our legislators here and for the most part we're all on the same wavelength with our local people but it does give you an opportunity to visit with other legislators while you're up there. Because so many times you go and you visit with Dick Myers and he says well you need to talk to so and so, that's the person that you need to share your concerns with. It does give more of a networking opportunity by going up there. And for that reason I guess I think it's worth our time to try to reschedule and see if there wouldn't be another time to go up.

Duffy: But still we could meet with them here too Sally so the public...

Stutsman: Right, we sure can and I would encourage everybody to do that.

Jordahl: Well, Charlie's suggesting a meeting formally set up here so the public could attend too and hear what our concerns are. A way of involving the public and also communicating with the legislators on similar related issues. Am I paraphrasing your concern correctly?

Duffy: Yes. And several of us go to Des Moines several times when the session is on and most of the time I would stop. You'd be surprised even one person. Ask about this or that.

Stutsman: But I think it had a good impact too that there were so many people from Johnson County going up as a group instead of just one person here or there. There were at least 8 of us. So that, to me, sends a real message to the legislature about our concerns and that we're willing to take the time to go up there and voice our concerns and our interest in what's happening. Both positive and negative. There's a lot of good things that are going on up there. I just think that anytime we have an opportunity to dialogue with the legislature we should take advantage of it. I know we can do it here on the local level and there's opportunities through the League of Women Voters or the Camber, they have their legislative session. But it's I think a real positive to go up there and meet with them too.

Jordahl: I'm not suggesting that we not go there I was just... What I was hearing was that as long as you're going there the most efficient thing to do is to take that opportunity to meet with people who aren't also here.

Stutsman: Right. Yes.

Jordahl: And so yes go, but don't just go to have lunch with people you already know from Johnson County. And that wasn't what the plan was initially but it was sort of a question of. But I think you're right, that probably they would be a way of networking while there through that connection. What occurs to me as I'm thinking about this is the idea of having a more systematic approach to communication with the legislature. As we hear coming out of the meeting saying there's a letter of support requested for such and such grant, if we have a concern that relates to legislation that we discuss, we might suggest that similarly the Board send a letter to our representatives and we could just have a list of our representatives and draft a letter and send it as the Board. On some kind of not exactly regular but as it occurs basis.

Stutsman: I don't think we do that enough. And I think we all have the best intentions, and I know some of the Board members communicate more with legislators than others but it can get lost in the shuffle. By the end of the session say why didn't I communicate that or why didn't I let them know. Because they just are begging all the time. Let us know how you feel about issues. Let us know what's going on.

Jordahl: And I think if we're in agreement, I mean if 5 of us think hey, then it shouldn't be that hard to say let's send a letter that says basically that. Even if it's just one paragraph. It's hey my whole Board of Supervisors said this and this.

Lehman: When we've had that meeting in the past here with, is that during the session on like a Friday or is that after the session is already...

Thompson: After, before.

Stutsman: It's before. Usually we try to do it in November, the 1st of December before they go to session.

Jordahl: We could request that occur more frequently because they do come back to Iowa City on weekends typically. If we, like Friday for example, it may be that they're all in town and it wouldn't be that hard to schedule a meeting monthly or whenever we wanted to kind of basis. I think this whole question whether we send them a letter or whether they show up here, we could do more of that.

Lehman: It might be a way they could kind of update us on things that are going on and also the public may have some questions of how is this particular bill proceeding and maybe get some information about things that the average person doesn't understand why it did or did not pass or why it's struggling or something like that.

Stutsman: It just occurred to me. I think we're going into discussion aren't we? It's deliberating reports.

Jordahl: Deliberating? Do you think? Yes, that's true.

Duffy: That's right.

Jordahl: Where were we?

Stutsman: We were talking about County a Day. One other thing I want to mention is that talking about legislators our church had a meeting with Representative Mascher. The Methodist church has a bishop's initiative about children in poverty and so we are trying to educate our congregation about some of the issues facing children. We asked Mary to come out to talk to our group about what's happening on the State level. I just want to reiterate how fortunate we are to have the legislative representatives that we have in this county. Mary did an excellent job. She really updated the group on issues that affect children and families in the state and what's happening. I was just real pleased for her willing to take the time and so well versed on what's going on at the State level and her commitment to children and families. I think we're very fortunate in Johnson County to have such good representation. Mary is just one of the delegation. I'm sure any of the others would have been happy to come out too. It was good.

Jordahl: OK. Reports. Carol.

Thompson: Thursday afternoon I attended the reception that Mid-American energy had at the Czech Museum in Cedar Rapids.

Jordahl: So how was it?

Thompson: It was lovely of course. The exhibit at the museum was very nice and I enjoyed seeing that. But also they mentioned that they were expecting any minute to have the approval from the regulatory commission for their merger with cal energy. Indeed that came out the next day. I think there will be another announcement in a week or so. So that's proceeding and will be finished pretty soon, probably by the end of April.

Jordahl: So is bigger better?

Thompson: Remains to be seen. Also on Friday we had the School Attendance Task Force which Sally is a member of the task force. I was invited to be the speaker because I was a former founder. I'm a founding mother of the committee. They've mediated, it's funning about 50% successful. These are citizens who mediate with families whose children have poor school attendance. It comes after the school has already done all of the interventions that they know of. So there isn't a lot of hope for most of these kids to improve their attendance. The fact that we have a 50% success rate or a little better is really a good thing.

Jordahl: OK. Charlie.

Duffy: Had a meeting at Solon over the noon hour on Friday. Senator Harkin was supposed to be there but at the last minute he got caught up in some very important school business but did send 3 of his staff including a main one regarding agriculture. Well attended. 25 or 30 people were there. It was starting to snow a little bit. With differences of opinion on what to do with the farm crisis and I sure thank Senator Harkin's representatives for being there. Then I went back to Solon. There was a fundraiser for a person that has health problems with Solon and I was going to take off and go to Des Moines and then I found out on Highway 1 a 10 mile area there, there was 5 automobiles that run off the road. I seen 2 of them. One of them was by our house. One a half mile up from us. The one a half mile up from us really must have been going because he was up that hill. So then the interstate was pretty icy from what I hear so there goes my committee. It's a subcommittee I'm on. Economic development and the small based businesses. There is another word that you hear a lot. It's home based business and smaller types. Low and behold last night I couldn't sleep too great so I turned on the television at 12:00 and here is this one person saying you've got to get in now. Small home based businesses and all of this money it's going to make you and all kinds of information. I guess he got rich doing it. I was a little disappointed I didn't get up there to the department of economic development home based business subcommittee. People have been calling and wondering what's going on with the cities annexing all of this prime farm land and building on it. We can't do that out in the rural area. I mean don't do it. So I says well maybe you better start showing up someplace. I guess that's it.

Jordahl: It's so tempting to enter into deliberation isn't it?

Stutsman: I was just...

Jordahl: I'll be good and I won't.

Jordahl: We had second interviews for the CPC Director of Mental Health Developmental Disabilities department last week with participation from members of the staff of the MH/DD department, Mimi Haithcox and Lisa Waul. 3 members of the MH/DD Planning Council, Doug Thompson is a consumer representative, Claudine Harris as the representative of a family member of a consumer and Bill Gorman as a provider, representative and Chair of the Planning Council sat in with prepared questions. I think it was really good to have that as a joint process and we will have an announcement to make. I'm hopeful on Thursday at our formal meeting in the evening. So that's 5:30 Thursday evening about the outcome of that process. The GIS Subcommittee to write the request for proposals met on Friday and the proposal will be drafted from the point of view of the recommendation received from the GIS subcommittee and the computer committee that the form of governance if we decide to go ahead and fund it would be to have a Central Coordinator under the authority of the Board. So the RFP will request that our study be done that way. The Board will see that before it goes out. It will also be presented to the Computer Committee and the whole GIS Committee before that is forwarded to us. As Sally said earlier the Planning Council will meet earlier this afternoon at 4:30. Not here in the Board room but in the break room. The reason for that is at 5:30 in this room the Building Code Committee will be meeting perhaps for the last time or maybe next to the last time to do some final work and then there's a public hearing or public input meeting at 7:00 in this room to take input about the prospect about having a building code for the unincorporated area of Johnson County. Tomorrow evening we have a meeting with the Township Trustees and the clerks at I believe 7:00 Montgomery Hall down at the fairgrounds. It will be an annual meeting with the Board. At the same time the League of Women Voters is holding a forum on local option sales tax. So I am going to have myself split into 2 entities and I'm going to be in both places at once. Thursday evening we have a formal meeting at 5:30 and then the public hearing on zonings and platting at 6:00. I would like to announce again that C. Everett Koop is going to be speaking at Hancher at 8:00 on Friday in conjunction with the smoke free weekend that we had a proclamation about last week. So there's all kinds of stuff going on in the evening this week and I've got it all outlined in orange. Every single evening I've got at least one if not 2 meetings to be at, at the same time that I absolutely have to be at. But it's a part time job Carol. Part time. So that's it for reports. We have an opportunity at 10:00 to go down to Montgomery Hall for a reception on Y2K. Was that cancelled?

Duffy: Yes that was cancelled.

Thompson: There was a little flyer.

Jordahl: So then we have an opportunity to... We can get back here and work on strategic planning. I would suggest that we take a break before we do that. But lets have discussion from the public if any before we take a break.

League of Women Voters Representative Carol Spaziani: Could I just ask you about your meetings on Thursday. Are you having a Board meeting at all?

Jordahl: No. It will just be the evening meeting at 5:30.

Spaziani: 5:30.

Jordahl: Yes the formal meeting is at 5:30 and then the public hearing on zoning and platting is at 6:00.

Duffy: Don't forget next week we're not going to have any meetings.

Spaziani: When is the next elected department heads meeting.

Lehman: The 23rd at Kent Park at 1:30.

Stutsman: No that's the department heads.

Peters: That's all department heads.

Jordahl: All department heads not just elected officials. That's everybody.

Thompson: It was next week.

Stutsman: It was scheduled for 1:30 on the 16th but Pat has sent a memo. He's the chair of those meetings asking if people want to meet on the 16th because that is spring break and because we're not having Board meetings that week.

Spaziani: So that might change.

Stutsman: If it does change it will be April 20th is what he suggested.

Spaziani: (Inaudible).

Jordahl: That's going to be at the Conservation Education Center out at Kent Park. Which if you haven't been there is kind of as you go into Kent Park you just keep turning right at every opportunity that doesn't look like a maintenance shed or a campground. But as far as the road goes you just stay to the right and you'll eventually see it. It's pretty far back.

Thompson: Worth seeing though. It's a beautiful building.

Jordahl: It's right on the verge of the area that they're landscaping for the demonstration of 3 different ecosystems in a short area so they'll have forest and prairie and wetland all within the space of about 2/10th of a mile.

Welsh: 2 quick items.

Jordahl: Yes.

Welsh: I know you moved the SEATS Advisory committee meeting to March 17th because of spring break. That's the town meeting at the Senior Center and some of those people I think are going to be involved in both of those. I know the town meeting was scheduled before the shift in the SEATS Advisory Committee Meeting. I don't know whether you were going to explore that or just going to go ahead.

Stutsman: Burnell was going to check into that and I haven't heard anything different. Why don't I follow up on that and see what they did decide.

Welsh: Because I think there are some people who would like to be involved in both of those.

Jordahl: That's a very good point Bob.

Stutsman: The problem ran into when to reschedule. I think some days were thrown out and everybody had a conflict. So I'll follow up and see what was decided.

Jordahl: See if you can schedule it for a time when there was no blizzard too.

Duffy: How about the subcommittees. One of those were cancelled.

Stutsman: Right. I haven't heard any rescheduling. I think basically a lot of those policies were put on hold so maybe there wasn't a need for those subcommittees to meet again.

Duffy: Seems kind of a little strange to me though.

Welsh: It was my understanding of the no show committee to have a meeting scheduled on the 17th.

Duffy: 17th of March?

Welsh: Yes.

Jordahl: Maybe you could make that part of a follow up Sally and talk about the subcommittees too.

Duffy: I think that's probably cancelled too.

Jordahl: So see if the subcommittees meetings were similarly scheduled over spring break or conflict with the Senior Center's Town meeting. Regarding the 17th, are we all going to ISAC or not?

Stutsman: I'm not.

Thompson: I'm not.

Duffy: I don't plan on going up but if I go up it will be the night before because that's when most of them go up and they're all situated. You get a lot of chances to talk to other Supervisors. Then you don't have to hurry up there, be a couple hours late, sign your name, check in and all that stuff. I think the night before...

Jordahl: Uh-huh.

Duffy: That's what I want to try to do unless it snows, ice, and all of that.

Jordahl: Can we do a little headcount here? Who's planning on going to ISAC?

Thompson: Not I.

Lehman: I won't be available.

Stutsman: Uh-uh.

Jordahl: Gee, I certainly don't want to give the impression of... My children are off school that week and I need to be with them basically.

Stutsman: Well one good thing about it, I didn't think the agenda was as strong as it has been at other meetings. Maybe this would be one not to (inaudible).

Duffy: But there are some things I would like to go to, maybe go up to Capital Hill. You mean I have it all to myself?

Jordahl: We could delegate...

Thompson: You'll represent us well.

Jordahl: ...delegate you to represent the Johnson County Board of Supervisors there, Charlie. Think you could handle that?

Thompson: (Inaudible).

Duffy: Somebody else will have to second that.

Stutsman: We can't.

Duffy: Well I haven't had too good of luck going to Des Moines because a month ago I was going to go and it was windy that day and the trucks were being blown off the highway. I didn't want my little white car on that.

Stutsman: It's Iowa.

Thompson: This is your big chance.

Jordahl: You can take the County van.

Duffy: I haven't driven that County van yet but it would be fun.

Jordahl: It's big.

Stutsman: Yes, I took it Friday and it was a little challenging in the last 20 miles but it does OK.

Jordahl: It has front wheel drive.

Stutsman: Uh-huh. Yes.

Duffy: That's what you have to have. I've got that in my car.

Welsh: Jonathan, one other item...

Jordahl: Yes.

Welsh: You have (inaudible). Understand I'm very supportive of the move to the Income Maintenance out to Eastdale Mall because of the co-location aspect of that. If you're talking about purchasing Mall Drive, I've heard you mention the Department of Human Services and (inaudible) the Health Department. I think you ought to look and have some conversations with Workforce Development because if, on the immediate thing, co-location is a good idea, which I think it is, then it's a good idea for a long term thing. I haven't heard that mentioned in any of your conversations. I guess I would just point out to you that I think that's an important step to take.

Stutsman: We're just at reports.

Jordahl: Huh?

Stutsman: We're just at reports. We can't deliberate about that suggestion. I thought you were taking a breath to have a reply. I wanted to cut you off before you even got started.

Jordahl: I would never deliberate on a mere point of public discussion here, Sally. But I would offer the opportunity to others who might know more about this issue to respond with information...

Stutsman: We'll take it under consideration.

Jordahl: ...rather than deliberation about the fact there has been some discussion of the possibility that space in a new building might be available for other people to use. Isn't that the case?

Stutsman: Uh-huh.

Jordahl: That wouldn't be deliberation, would it? That's just a response to the public's request for information.

Lehman: It's there on the list, see.

Welsh: I'm feeling very strong in terms of a County campus or a Human Services campus. I'm not sure that being on Mall Drive allows either of those 2.

Jordahl: Yes, I'm not sure about that either. Do you have a response? Have there been discussions of that nature?

Stutsman: No, not at the Mall Drive location.

Welsh: I guess I'm the same. I put those things before you (inaudible)co-location (inaudible) the larger picture of the campus or at least the Human Services campus and whether or not the Mall Drive location does in fact serve either of those 2 things.

Jordahl: Yes, as usual, it doesn't surprise me that you make a good point.

Spaziani: (Inaudible).

Jordahl: Yes, Carol?

Spaziani: I just wanted to comment that I attended a meeting in relation to (inaudible) team meeting in Cedar Rapids at a building which is either leased or owned by Kirkwood, maybe Carol knows more about it than I do. But it's an office building just east of downtown in Cedar Rapids, which Kirkwood manages but they lease space to Goodwill, Workforce Development...

Jordahl: Uh-huh.

Stutsman: ECICOG is there too, isn't it?

Jordahl: Yes.

Spaziani: ...Rehab...

Jordahl: ECICOG is moving though, I think.

Stutsman: Right, ECICOG is moving.

Spaziani: But the point is that of the people at this team meeting, 2 of them represented agencies that had offices in that building. There's the Jones Conference Room so it saves them a lot of travel.

Stutsman: That is nice, isn't it.

Spaziani: I had not been acquainted with the fact that that had developed. It's under Kirkwood's (inaudible). They're managing the building but leasing space to all of these other people. Since Kirkwood is out in that area in East Iowa City, it might be something to look into for the long term.

Jordahl: Uh-huh.

Spaziani: It might be of interest.

Duffy: Good idea.

Spaziani: I don't know what the mechanics are but it seems to be working very well there.

Jordahl: Well that building is characterized by verticality. I think it has like 4 floors to it. Reverend Welsh's question could be addressed in terms of the Mall Drive site if the building built on the site were taller.

Spaziani: Kirkwood, I think, has a vocational skills training office there too, with the same clients of Rehab, Goodwill, etc. They can all use a computer access career exploration system in that building. Clients work very well because they're all clients with various employment.

Jordahl: Uh-huh.

Welsh: When you build up, you have to also think in terms of parking, square footage and how that maps out. Can you have certain locations?

Duffy: Well I think that's on 5th Street, isn't it? That's the one we're talking about?

Spaziani: Uh-huh.

Duffy: That's a good point, Bob. I think they have adequate parking there but I've been there sometimes when it's pretty full.

Welsh: I was talking about the Mall Drive.

Duffy: Yes, but it's the same scenario if you build up.

Jordahl: The meetings of the Space Needs Committee are open to the public, are they not?

Stutsman: Right. We're meeting again on...

Jordahl: I think it would be appropriate for you to find out when that is and bring these ideas forward in that forum.

Welsh: When is that meeting?

Stutsman: It's Friday morning at 9. 9 to 10:30. An agenda has been posted.

Jordahl: OK. So, anything else from the public? I think that that brings us to a point where we'd better recess for a few minutes and return to strategic planning.

Recessed at 10:15 a.m.; reconvened at 10:30 a.m.

(Continued in Part 3)